RE: Driven: Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1750TBi
RE: Driven: Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1750TBi
Friday 30th April 2010

Driven: Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1750TBi

PH tries out Alfa's newest hot hatch - the 232bhp Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde



The laconic expression of the sicurezza chap says it all. With a barely perceptible movement of his hand he waves us out onto the test track of Alfa Romeo’s Balocco proving ground, his face remaining impassive behind mirrored shades as he leans against his dark blue Alfa 159. No safety briefing, no signing your life away, no limit on laps – just grab the keys to a car and head for a hoon.

But don’t take this refreshing lack of restrictions as a lack of interest on the part of Alfa in its new Giulietta. Rather, it is a mark of the company’s confidence in its latest hatchback.

The Giulietta in which we’ve been waved on to the circuit so nonchalantly is the 1750tbi Quadrifoglio Verde, Alfa Romeo’s answer to the Golf GTI and the top of the Giulietta range.


Alfa Romeo has big ambitions for the Giulietta. And it is making strong claims for it: best-in-class ride combined with best-in-class handling, clever engines combining performance and fuel economy, an innovative design that mixes unparalleled impact absorption with lightness, a body that melds spaciousness with the sporty design expected of an Alfa Romeo.

These are brave claims indeed. But then this is the car that must firmly re-establish Alfa Romeo as a credible player in the almost-but-not-quite premium segment. In short it must be like a Golf, but with added Italian passion. And as the flag-bearer of the range, the Quadrifoglio Verde is the car that’s arguably under the most pressure to perform.

First impressions are mostly good - the body looks suitably hunkered-down over the wheels and there are plenty of Alfa cues, from the hidden rear door handles, to the Mito-esque lights, to the robustly retro shield grille. Whether you think it all hangs together properly is of course a matter of personal taste, although to these eyes it can look a touch gawky from some angles.

Inside there are swathes of leather, appropriately cowled dials a lovely part-suede steering wheel and a general sense that where you’re sitting is a bit special. There are two major flaws to the interior, however; the sat-nav/infotainment system and the gear knob.


Perversely, the fiddly, occasionally counter-intuitive and often obstreperous controls for the sat-nav and music system are, though objectively a more serious problem, somehow less of a concern than what’s on top of the gear stick. For some reason, the gear knob is an oversized (approaching tennis ball-diameter) faux-aluminium plastic ball. It feels large and low-rent in your palm, and rather spoils what otherwise would be a cabin full of pleasing tactile sensations.

As we accelerate onto the track the 1742cc turbocharged motor pulls smoothly and strongly (and so it should - the 1750tbi’s 144lb ft per litre is the highest specific torque output ever to grace a production car’s spec sheet).

In many ways this is quite an impressive engine. As we’ve just alluded to, its bald figures are good: variable valve timing, direct injection and a ‘scavenging’ system on the turbo results in 232bhp and 251lb ft of torque. The way it delivers its power is smooth and progressive, too (although it does need to take a pause for breath at very low revs). And a combined mpg of just over 37mpg is perfectly acceptable, too. Straight-line performance is therefore pretty much on the mark for a mid-range hot hatch - 0-62mph is done in 6.8secs and the top speed is 150mph. As is the price, which at £24,495, is within a couple of hundred quid of the Golf GTI's price tag.


There is a real problem, though: the 1750tbi, for all its impressive pace and refinement, is not an engine blessed with great character. In a Golf GTI or a fast Ford Focus this could be forgiven, but in a hot Alfa it seems almost sacrilegious.

This car’smost direct ancestor – the 147 GTA – had a truly glorious V6 battle cry, and previous Giuliettas of the 1950s and early 1980s were also possessed of fine vocal talents. A great Alfa engine should make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up; the 1750tbi does not do this.

The Quadrifoglio Verde goes some way to make up for its lack of voice with a fair degree of athletic prowess when the track turns twisty. The MacPherson strut front, multi-link rear suspension set-up is well capable of keeping body movements in check, while the Q2 electronic differential – although not as effective as a mechanical set-up – still helps the Giulietta haul itself effectively out of tight corners.


Again, though, there is a limit to the Giulietta’s dynamic prowess. The gearshift is reasonably slick, but a little baggy around the edges. The brakes work well initially, but succumb to fade fairly rapidly. The super-sharp steering is pretty good on track, but the clever dual-pinion electric power steering system (the electric motor sits right on top of the rack) is supposed to emulate the feel of a hydraulically assisted set-up. This is something it fails to do – there’s a distinct whiff of a Sega Rally 2 arcade machine in the way the steering goes about its business.

Curiously the most annoying thing of all is the way the hazard warning lights flash if you brake remotely heavily. We understand that this is a sensible safety feature on the road – and it may be that we failed to find the button that switched it off – but on a car that may well do more than the odd track day it is more than mildly irritating.


It’s far from a bad car, the new Alfa Giulietta 1750tbi. In many ways it is really rather good – its crashworthiness, refinement and build quality are all up with the best in its class. And even its downsides are more niggles than serious flaws. But in creating such a competent fast hatch Alfa has come perilously close to losing sight of the spirit and passion that makes the brand great – the hot Giulietta just doesn’t stir the soul in the way an Alfa Romeo should.

I really hate to say this, but the Golf GTI has more heart than the Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1750tbi Quadrifoglio Verde. Alfa Romeo might have great confidence in its newest product, but it could just be a bit misplaced.

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Discussion

young_bairn

Original Poster:

714 posts

206 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Nice looking motor but can't help but fell the engine is underpowered to compete with the rest in it's class. It's no sloth however.

dwilkie

2,222 posts

216 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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I don't know, it has plenty of torque and is a damn sight lighter than a Golf (but then so is the moon...)

All I know is I want one, but then I'm biased tongue out

Hellbound

2,515 posts

206 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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"GTA, GTA, GTA"

Busso V6.


Pah, I give up.


HowardB

152 posts

205 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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nice looker and 37mpg,...that sounds interesting, but the Sega game-esque steering sounds like an accident waiting to happen,.!

Mr SMW

4 posts

205 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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I've had 3 Alfas, - a 2.0 147, a 2.4JTD 156 and a 3.2 Brera S.
The Giulietta Cloverleaf will almost certainly be my 4th.

OK, so it has 'flaws' (or niggles as the article suggests), - it's an Alfa, - it's compulsory!!
.....and nothing that the next generation paddleshift won't fix (overlarge gearknob) and an aftermarket exhaust (beef up the sound a bit).

Metallic red for me smile

courtster

1,491 posts

246 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Seems good value at £24495 when a Golf GTI 5-door with 18's is £25285. If only the residuals and lease prices were as competitive frown My Ed30 goes back in a month and would love to swap it for one of these, but there's no way it'll come in on a decent lease price.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

235 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Any chance of some numbers behind this wishy washy journalism?

Riggers

1,859 posts

208 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Mr SMW said:
I've had 3 Alfas, - a 2.0 147, a 2.4JTD 156 and a 3.2 Brera S.
The Giulietta Cloverleaf will almost certainly be my 4th.

OK, so it has 'flaws' (or niggles as the article suggests), - it's an Alfa, - it's compulsory!!
.....and nothing that the next generation paddleshift won't fix (overlarge gearknob) and an aftermarket exhaust (beef up the sound a bit).

Metallic red for me smile
Sadly it's not the exhaust that's an issue - for me the key to an Alfa engine note is the induction, and that ain't good in the Giulietta QV.

Having said all i did in the article, though, If you like the looks and love Alfas (you obviously do) I don't think you'll be disappointed by it.

And you're right - the forthcoming twin-clutch paddleshift will be interesting...

Pooh

3,693 posts

283 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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All the other reviews I have read have praised both the steering and brakes(in dynamic mode)so I am not sure why PH should come to a different conclusion.
I rather fancy one of these but I would go for the 170bhp 1.4 because it is supposed to be the pick of the range.

Edited by Pooh on Friday 30th April 09:07

ts86net

133 posts

259 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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I'm looking forward to the flappy paddle gearbox version.

The performance can be fixed with an ECU remap - It's turbo charged, should get great gains.

ts86net

133 posts

259 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Where are the QV badges on the car????!

Riggers

1,859 posts

208 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Pooh said:
All the other reviews I have read have praised both the steering and brakes(in dynamic mode)so I am not sure why PH should come to a different conclusion.
I rather fancy on of these but I would go for the 170bhp 1.4 because it is supposed to be the pick of the range.
On the road, and in the lower-spec models I would agree with the other reviews. I'm talking specifically about the top-end 1750tbi.

As a Golf/Focus rival the Giulietta is darn good. As a hot hatch, er, not so much.... nto saying it's bad at all, just not quite good enough smile

lordlee

3,137 posts

275 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Seems like Alfa are damned if they do and damned if they dont. I'd rather see them up their quality and improve their dealer network and if that means losing some soul then so be it!

V6Alfisti

3,314 posts

257 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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As said above, seems the majority of niggles can be sorted very quickly. Although it would have been nice of Alfa to do this for us!.

Gearknob- £20-30 later and you can have a nice one bolted on.

Engine Noise - Dissapointing to hear as even the old TS/JTS made a nice noise, but an exhaust would no doubt help remedy.

Steering - Most new cars run electric PAS and everyone else has praised Alfa for making the best of the electric PAS, even Autocar (which are quite well known for being Alfa haters).

The interesting point is, in summary the car is very competent but it is let down by losing some of it's "Alfa'ness", but when they make cars with "Alfa'ness" they are slammed for not being more like a Golf. They can't really win can they wink.

How does the Golf GTI have more heart than the Giulietta?

Interesting figures:-

80-120 with 6th gear
Audi TT-RS 5"9 (Autobild)
Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 6"4 (AMuS)
Porsche 911 GT2 7"1 (AMuS)
BMW M3 Sedan 7"4 (Autobild)
BMW M3 Coupe 7"7 (Autobild)
Audi TT-S 272hp 7"9 (Autobild)
Alfa Giulietta QV 235hp 8"3
Μercedes Benz C63 AMG 8"3 (Autobild)
Audi S3 Sportback 265hp 8"4 (Autobild)
Ferrari 430 Scuderia 8"5 (Autobild)
ΒΜW 330d 245hp/520Nm 8"5 (AMuS)
Mazda 3 MPS 260hp 8"5 (Autobild)
Audi R8 R-Tronic 8"7 (AMuS)
Porsche Cayman S 320hp 8"8 (AMuS)
Ford Focus ST 225hp 8"8 (Autobild)
Porsche Carrera 345hp 9"0 (AMuS)
Αudi TT Roadster 2.0TFSi 9"1 (AMuS)
BMW 130i 5d M Pack 9"1 (Autobild)
Renault Megane Coupe' RS 250hp 9"1 (Sport Auto)
Alfa Giulietta 1.4 TB MultiAir 170hp 9"3
Audi A4 3.0TDI 240hp/500Nm 9"4 (AMuS)
VW Golf VI 3p GTi 9"4 (Sport Auto)
Alfa Giulietta 2.0JTDm-2 10"0
Lotus Evora 10"0 (Autobild)
Nissan 370Z 331hp 10"2 (Autobild)
Cayman 2.9 265hp 10"2 (Autobild)
Audi A3 Sportback 2.0TDi 170hp 10"5 (autobild)
Alfa Giulietta 1.4 TB 120hp 11"0
BMW 120d Coupe 177hp 11"2 (Autobild)
BMW 120d 5d 177hp 11"2 (Autobild)
Mercedes Benz CLC220 CDi 11"7 (Autobild)
Subaru Impreza STi 11"9 (Autobild)
Honda Civic Type R 12"9 (AMuS)
Audi A4 Avant 1.8 TFSi 160hp 14"2 (Autobild)
Mercedes Benz SLK200 Kompressor 14"1 (AMuS)
Audi A5 1.8 TFSi 170hp 14"7 (AMuS)
BMW 320i Coupe 15"7 (AMuS)
BMW 320i Touring 16"2 (Autobild)
Audi A3 1.4TFSi 125hp 17"0 (AMuS)
MB C180 T Kompressor 156hp 18"1 (Autobild)
BMW 116i 26"6 (AMuS)

60-100 with 5th gear
Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 5"0
Ferrari 430 Scuderia 5"9
Audi S4 333hp 6"2
BMW 335i 306hp 6"4
Porsche 911 GT2 6"7 (AMuS)
Porsche Cayman S 320hp 6"7(AMuS)
Alfa Giulietta QV 235hp 6"9
Audi R8 R-Tronic 6"9 (AMuS)
Porsche 911 Carrera 345hp 6"9 (AMuS)
BMW 330d 245hp/520Nm 7"1 (AMuS)
Alfa Giulietta 1.4 MultiAir TB 170hp 7"3
Audi A4 3.0TDi 240hp/500Nm 7"7
Alfa Giulietta 2.0 JTDm-2 7"9
Alfa Giulietta 1.4 TB 120hp 8"2
Honda Civic Type R 8"8
Mercedes Benz SLK200 Kompressor 10"5 (AMuS)
Audi A5 1.8TFSi 170hp 11"1 (AMuS)
Audi A3 1.4 TFSi 125hp 11"2 (AMuS)
BMW 320i Coupe 170hp 11"7 (AMuS)
BMW 116i 14"7 (AMuS)[/QUOTE]

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

260 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Riggers said:
uriously the most annoying thing of all is the way the hazard warning lights flash if you brake remotely heavily. We understand that this is a sensible safety feature on the road – and it may be that we failed to find the button that switched it off – but on a car that may well do more than the odd track day it is more than mildly irritating.
There is no way any mainstream car company, even one like Alfa, is going to make provisions for a very very small group of owners wanting to take their 5dr family hatch on track.

Next you'll be moaning that they don't fit the holes for a 4 point harness, or that there's no room for a 6footer to wear a helmet!

It's a road car, and the flashing hazards are a (IMO a very useful) safety feature. No matter how annoying they may be, they will undoubtedly save lives as drivers become less observant (due to every other action being taken care of by a computer).



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Edited by Beefmeister on Friday 30th April 09:02

sanctum

191 posts

205 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Quote "the hot Giulietta just doesn’t stir the should in the way an Alfa Romeo should"

typo asside (or spellcheck error), that's what you get when you design a car based around performance figures rather than the actual owner experience. And its us buyers who are to blame for judging cars on paper rather than taking the time to drive them.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

248 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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"Curiously the most annoying thing of all is the way the hazard warning lights flash if you brake remotely heavily. We understand that this is a sensible safety feature on the road – and it may be that we failed to find the button that switched it off – but on a car that may well do more than the odd track day it is more than mildly irritating."

But its not a track car...... how many 2010 model GTI's do you see on a track, bit of a daft comment.

dwilkie

2,222 posts

216 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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To be honest, electric steering in any car feels lame - out of all the electrically assisted cars I test drove the MiTo's steering was the best out of the (bad bunch) so I'd guess the Giulietta feels similar? It's hard to get used to at first (especially since I was used to the surprisingly good hydraulic steering on the Rovers) but now I have, I can place it accurately on the road and know exactly what it's doing (in dynamic, in normal it's really hard to judge).

Everybody else who's driven it finds the steering odd, but once they've driven it a while they get used to it. Sadly I think electric steering will be finding it's way into more and more cars - it's the price of progress. Maybe it'll get better, who knows. The other reviews I've read though all commented on the fact that, whilst still not great, the electric system in the Giulietta gives more feedback than in the MiTo - would you say this is a fair comment?

Fire99

9,868 posts

259 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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I'd have to drive one to see if the dynamics and engine pass the test, but, in the market it's competing with, it's a stunning car. The interior looks fantastic too. Kinda modern-retro.

Great design.

V6Alfisti

3,314 posts

257 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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dwilkie said:
To be honest, electric steering in any car feels lame - out of all the electrically assisted cars I test drove the MiTo's steering was the best out of the (bad bunch) so I'd guess the Giulietta feels similar? It's hard to get used to at first (especially since I was used to the surprisingly good hydraulic steering on the Rovers) but now I have, I can place it accurately on the road and know exactly what it's doing (in dynamic, in normal it's really hard to judge).

Everybody else who's driven it finds the steering odd, but once they've driven it a while they get used to it. Sadly I think electric steering will be finding it's way into more and more cars - it's the price of progress. Maybe it'll get better, who knows. The other reviews I've read though all commented on the fact that, whilst still not great, the electric system in the Giulietta gives more feedback than in the MiTo - would you say this is a fair comment?
The Giulietta is reputed to have been improved considerably over the MiTo according to Evo

"Giulietta has a new system with the motor on the rack instead of the column - less friction; less inertia. The result is a much more natural steering feel and a welcome transparency."