RE: Driven: Mugen Civic Type R
RE: Driven: Mugen Civic Type R
Thursday 17th June 2010

Driven: Mugen Civic Type R

We take Honda's extreme hot hatch for a spin on UK roads



When we first tested the Mugen Civic Type R prototype in Japan around this time last year - the first journalists in the world to do so - we declared it to be surprisingly approachable as well as insanely grippy and manically amusing.

We were also told that final development for the car would be done in the UK by Mugen Euro - so we even had some hope that the undoubtedly rock-hard suspension set-up might be tweaked to allow a little pliancy for the bobbly British B-road.

So it was with some anticipation that I set out onto the Great British road network in the £38,599 (yes, it really is that expensive) Mugen Civic Type R. The good news is that, in many ways (its engine, gearbox and Velcro-tyred grip levels to name but a few), the Mugen Civic is utterly spellbinding. The bad news is that the ride has not had even a modicum of adjustability or comfort dialled into it - it would genuinely not surprise me if the set-up was as stiff as the suspension in Matt Neal's BTCC Civic.


On urban roads the Mugen Civic nods its nose as you drive, in the manner of a race-spec Porsche 911 (or, less charitably, a poorly suspended Max Power reject), and the weak-of-back will find the suspension sufficiently stiff to actually be painful in town. At higher speeds on dual carriageways and motorways the ride becomes bearable, but it always remains busy and fidgety.

Question is: does this jarring ride spoil the Mugen Civic? The answer depends on how far you live from decent driving roads, because if you live within 45 minutes drive of a half-decent country road, the smile the Mugen Civic is capable of putting on your face is easily worth the osteopath bills.


Firstly, the engine and gearbox are predictably brilliant. The tweaked exhausts lend the Civic a raw, gargling howl, while the 239bhp and 157lb ft of torque (spread more evenly across the rev range) finally give a Civic the power and torque to feel fast everywhere, rather than at just ten-tenths. Likewise the oily yet mechanically precise gearshift makes hunting for the upper reaches of the rev range a pleasure rather than a chore.

The chassis also proves its mettle when you start to hurry on. The turn-in, agility and sheer mechanical grip of the Mugen Civic are truly astounding things - I know it's an awful cliche, but this thing really does feel like it has driven straight off a race circuit. There is precious little roll, an almost instant response from the steering, and the limited-slip diffferential gives you all the confidence you need to start ringing the engine's neck nice and early as you come out of slower corners.

On the right road, then, and if you're in the right mood, the Mugen Civic is a truly epic machine. We didn't get the chance to try it out on track, but I've no doubt it would be enchanting on the circuit too - and that's not something I would confidently say about many front-wheel drive cars.

But here's the really weird thing about the Mugen Civic: if I was making a car that was so obviously uncompromising in its dynamic set-up, I would have taken the same approach with the interior. Why are there rear seats? Why no roll cage, six-point harnesses or lightweight perspex side windows? The thing is, if you're prepared to spend almost £40k on such an extreme hot hatch, you're almost certainly prepared to suffer a few creature discomforts in the name of performance.

It's a cracking driving machine the Civic, but you can't help feeling Honda and Mugen ought to have gone just that little bit further.








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nsmith1180

Original Poster:

3,941 posts

208 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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A bit schizophrenic (sp?) then?

My question is why bother with this model civic? It old now and has to be due for replacement or Astra/Focus/Golf are going to overtake market share.

Not bad on the looks front, tho the back end looks like Halfords was the primary design contractor.

Without driving it id give it 6/10.

Jayho

2,423 posts

200 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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I'd still rather import a FD2 than have a FN2... Just looks a lot smoother and nicer IMO...

teapea

693 posts

216 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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£38,599? confused

kambites

71,556 posts

251 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Nearly 40 grand for a Civic? eek

BUG4LIFE

2,524 posts

248 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Because Mugen are hoping to sell a bunch of tuning products to Civic owners, on the back of this halo car. As used FN2 prices drop and more people can afford them, Mugen want those peeps to buy Mugen products...simples! I like the styling, which in my opinion can only and must only be used on Jap cars - it's the idiots that stick massive wings and front bumpers on their Euro hatches that have give this OTT look it's chaviness [is that a word]?

R66STU

276 posts

206 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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i dont understand who would fork out that money for this. its overpriced.

There are a lot of (new) cars with the same capabilities for less money.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

228 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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If it's fun on a country road then I don't see how it can be too stiff. If you've ever driven a track car down a country road with suspension too stiff and damping too firm, the car is awful - getting bounced off line, sniffing out every camber change, and bouncing you out the seat if you're not wearing a harness. There is no way you'd commend that suspension set-up.

Surely a little exaggeration there?

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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kambites said:
Nearly 40 grand for a Civic? eek
yes ... and people say the £27k Focus RS is overpriced!

Rs2oo

2,210 posts

228 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Stevie wonder would like it.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

228 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Please stop banging on about the cost of specials or comparisons to a second hand car. It's utterly predictable and adds no value to the thread. It's only over-priced if they don't sell the limited numbers they produce.

Please call someone like Prodrive and ask them what their consultancy day rates are for car development.

jennyh

7 posts

236 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Are you mad? You could have a decent smoker for everyday and a Caterham for the weekend!!!

Jackal2k9

191 posts

214 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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thats a £38k shopping trolleyeek, if i was spending this id be getting a RS500 personally......

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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rhinochopig said:
Please stop banging on about the cost of specials or comparisons to a second hand car. It's utterly predictable and adds no value to the thread. It's only over-priced if they don't sell the limited numbers they produce.

Please call someone like Prodrive and ask them what their consultancy day rates are for car development.
Focus RS is a limited production run (RS 500 certainly is) so I believe the comaprison there is relevant.

poing

8,743 posts

230 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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jennyh said:
Are you mad? You could have a decent smoker for everyday and a Caterham for the weekend!!!
I was just thinking exactly the same. If you really want a Civic then buy a standard Type R and a weekend Caterham/Elise. I suspect down my local B roads the standard Type R will be faster because they are extremely bumpy so this Mugen would be too much of a chore to be fun.

TheRoadWarrior

1,242 posts

208 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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See what you mean about the interior.. apart from the gauges its totally standard isnt it?

Its a shame they didnt take the opportunity to pimp it out a bit inside, despite the standard seats being good it would be nice to see some fixed-back buckets.

Jackal2k9

191 posts

214 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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its overweight and pointless + with mugen starting to sell parts in the uk this is much like the RS/RS500 debate with the 10k extra price tag for the 500, you'll be able to buy a stock type r for a third of the price and get the extra 30 or so bhp for a lot less

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

228 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Podie said:
rhinochopig said:
Please stop banging on about the cost of specials or comparisons to a second hand car. It's utterly predictable and adds no value to the thread. It's only over-priced if they don't sell the limited numbers they produce.

Please call someone like Prodrive and ask them what their consultancy day rates are for car development.
Focus RS is a limited production run (RS 500 certainly is) so I believe the comaprison there is relevant.
No it's not - one is made by Ford, the other by Mugen. That can be enough to account for a massive cost difference. You don't know exactly what parts are different between the two models, what was spent on development, how much was spent on marketing, what effect exchange rates have, etc.

It's only too expensive if it doesn't sell. I can buy a £50 Casio LCD watch that will be considerably more accurate than a Rolex, yet the Rolex is more expensive. The Rolex still sells despite being a lesser product if judged on some criteria. You may think the Honda is expensive, but others won't and they will sell.

Edited by rhinochopig on Thursday 17th June 10:43

Chris_w666

22,655 posts

229 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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So if I bought a second hadn civic, how much would it cost to make one better than the Mugen?

Andrew_M

1,111 posts

249 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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It needs to do an 8 minute lap of the ring to justify the price IMO...

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

228 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Chris_w666 said:
So if I bought a second hadn civic, how much would it cost to make one better than the Mugen?
Try calling Prodrive and asking what they'd charge you for 6 months of development consultancy for a small FWD N/A hatch.