RE: Murray T.25 First Official Pics
RE: Murray T.25 First Official Pics
Monday 28th June 2010

Murray T.25 First Official Pics

New T.25 offers smallness, lightness, and (hopefully) fun



It may be amusing to think there’s a touch of the ‘David Ickes’ about engineer turned enviro-evangelist Gordon Murray these days, but as far as we know the creator of the McLaren F1 has not taken to wearing lilac shellsuits. And it has to be said that Murray’s new T.25 city car looks a more credible 'green' proposition than Icke’s contention that Her Majesty The Queen is an alien lizard in human form. (No, is she really? Ed.)

Hopefully it’s not just the jaunty camera angles in these ‘first official pics’ that suggest there might be a bit of fun to be had when piloting the T.25. Official blurb released with the new pics today promises “class-leading vehicle dynamics” and “a unique, ‘cool’ and fun driving experience”.

It's been reported elsewhere that the car could go into production within a couple of years at a new factory in the UK with Murray's new iStream manufacturing process.


The tiny T.25 weighs in at 550kgs, and will be smaller than pretty much anything on the road at 240cms long and 130cms wide. The driver is centrally-mounted, with a pair of passenger seats are off-set behind and to the rear on either side, while access is via a funky opening canopy that tilts forward below the windscreen.

The design features independent suspension all-round, and power comes from a 51bhp three-pot 660cc motor linked to a five-speed automated transmission.


Aside from the T.25’s miniscule environmental impact, benefits of the car’s tiny footprint include the ability to forward park against the kerb so three vehicles could fit in one traditional parking space. You could also fit two in one conventional domestic garage, while the official statement introduces the intriguing concept of exploring the possibility of 2 vehicles travelling and overtaking in a single conventional lane. Read the official version below:

Official news release: T.25 USP’s and Key Features

  • The T.25 represents a major breakthrough in City Car design and is a vehicle that has been optimised through design for strength, performance, weight, cost, safety, usability, tooling, quality, energy efficiency, recyclable and ease of assembly.
  • The T.25 external dimensions create the opportunity to:
    • park at 90 degrees to the curb, offering real consumer benefits,
    • park up to 3 cars in one parallel parking space - giving rise to lower parking charges.
    • increase traffic flow,
    • explore the possibility of 2 vehicles travelling and overtaking in one conventional lane. Combining this with the car length has the potential to triple lane usage at peak times.
    • reduce the environmental impact of vehicle manufacture (ie: lower material content etc) and day-to-day operation.
  • The central driving position generates:
    • A unique, ‘cool’ and fun driving experience,
    • promotes safety and ease of parking as a result of excellent all-round visibility and road awareness,
    • the opportunity to offer a single-seater option with retrofit bolt-in rear seats,
    • class-leading rear passenger leg room (better than most ‘B-Segment’ cars).
  • By virtue of the unique door opening system, the T.25 can:
    • be parked in very close proximity to other objects and still allow occupants to enter and exit the vehicle. This gives rise to,
    • park 2 in one domestic garage,
    • allow occupants access from both sides of the vehicle,
    • allow easy access to the driver’s seat and easy access to the rear child seats.
  • The ultra lightweight by design (approximately 550kg) means that:
    • component life is increased
    • reduced energy is required to power vehicle, giving rise to higher fuel efficiency (mpg/electric battery range).
    • a competitive power to weight ratio is achieved
  • A world-leading 6 metre turning circle will enhance urban manoeuvring and parking.
  • Body panels in the lower periphery of the car are all mechanically affixed and have split lines which are sympathetic to accident damage replacement, leading to rapid assembly times and low cost accident repair.
  • First car in class to feature lightweight, low cost independent rear suspension.
  • Wing mirrors are within the overall width of the body, thereby minimising accidental damage and subsequent mirror replacement.
  • Design for purpose means that the vehicle has excellent pedestrian impact qualities.
  • The inclusion of Formula 1 derived materials philosophy and technology coupled with chassis frame design (‘Direct Load Path’) gives an immensely strong structure (‘safety cell’) both in ‘end’ and ‘side’ impact scenarios. This is also designed to meet the cost targets of high volume production.
  • Flat under-floor improves aerodynamic efficiency.
  • Class-leading vehicle dynamics
  • High level turn indicators for good visibility.
  • Positioning of the fuel filler permits refueling from either side of the vehicle.
  • Centralised driving instrumentation and controls are designed to maximize drive control.
  • Six internal layout options with rear seat adjustment (adjustable within 20 seconds) sets new standards in small vehicle packaging – a long way in front of the Smart For 2 and the Toyota iQ.
  • Occupant capacity of between 1 and 3 persons. Luggage capacity of between 160 litres and 720 litres.
  • The T.25 has the potential to be first to market for a new “World Car Class” for efficient vehicles, demonstrating new levels of efficiency and low emissions – creating excellent publicity and marketing opportunities.
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Discussion

Wilburo

Original Poster:

391 posts

226 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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Is that the steering wheel from a Lambo?

I like this... Would be interesting to have a go, even if it is a bit tall!

louismchuge

1,644 posts

213 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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finally, a shopmobility scooter for the rich!

kambites

71,462 posts

250 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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Interesting idea but it's certainly not pretty is it?

gavzdc5445

66 posts

207 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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hmmm...nice idea, but looks a bit like a Knight Rider Mobility Concept...funky though!!

Andehh

7,597 posts

235 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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Great, you can park two in one garage...shame that garage needs to be twice as tall to accommodate the opening roof....

Frimley111R

19,205 posts

263 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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Wilburo said:
Is that the steering wheel from a Lambo?
Elise

v8will

3,310 posts

225 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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So, who will be 1st to drop in a Hayabusa engine??

I like it in the same way I did like Smart cars, just hope it's a better drive than one of those

Chris-R

756 posts

216 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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v8will said:
So, who will be 1st to drop in a Hayabusa engine??
Probably Gordon Murray! smile

patmahe

5,919 posts

233 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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I really, really cannot wait to get a good look at one of these, a huge amount of the worlds population and their cars live in cities. In most cities space is at a premium. I believe its a fantastic product but I am fearful it may be a bit too radical for its target market to buy it, unless they manage to market it as cute or something.

If its priced correctly though I could see people setting aside their prejudices and going for it, it would make a lot of sense for a lot of people.

Roberty

1,180 posts

201 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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And we've been waiting how long now for that!

That's a bigger Anti climax than England in the World Cup!


Luke.

11,994 posts

279 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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That back end looks pretty fussy, the rest of it looks good in a quirky kind of way. But wasn't that what we were all expecting?

Soovy

35,829 posts

300 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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What a complete abortion. If Murray wasn't involved it would get slated.

fking greeny bullst.


I'm disappointed that such a fine engineer has sold out to the yoghurt knitters.

Mike Rob

1,017 posts

220 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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mkidd

5 posts

217 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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So what happens when it is tipping it down with rain and you want to get in the car...? Will drench the interior surely!?

Nice concept though and i am sure we will see them all over London in the years to come.

SAndals

170 posts

203 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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I'm sure it's technologically brilliant and innovatively packaged but just look at it!
That canopy is ridiculous. What a disappointment - form may follow function but I fear it's destined to fail.

As for the blurb saying it's "cool" - that's like a Dad being "street" cos he's on Bookface.

How much is it anyway? £5k?

Soovy

35,829 posts

300 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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Even with a McLaren badge it's a travesty.

You can't polish a turd.

R66STU

276 posts

205 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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50BHP @ 550KG's, that may be quite nippy. it would be interesting to know
A. how much it cost to tax (hopfully free)
B. how much it cost to insure
C. MPG's
D. new price
E. top speed (propabaly 50mph)
F. how far does this thing fly when blown off the motorway by a Tesco lorry side wind

Hitch78

6,118 posts

223 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

This car is taking forever to come to market. And I still don't understand how you get in it when it is raining without sitting in a puddle all the way home.

Crusoe

4,123 posts

260 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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above said:
Wing mirrors are within the overall width of the body
Quite a good thing if the dozy driver clips a wing mirror instead of having a front end shunt, does reduce the overall width but make them auto folding if that is an issue rather than the front wings be the widest part?

emicen

9,235 posts

247 months

Monday 28th June 2010
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rofl

Particularly like that its fuel filler position means it can be filled up from either side. Wow! Just like, erm, every single car I've ever owned or driven. Only exceptions I can think of are vans.

Confirms the opinion his ramblings in Evo have forced me to form.