Mixing run flats with non run flats
Discussion
pilchardthecat said:
You'll get premature wear on bushings and other suspension components, and a great deal of under/over steer depending on which axle has the run flats. There is a huge difference in grip and handling characteristics between the two.
"a great deal of under/over steer" - I think that may be exagerating things a bit. It also completely depends on which tyres are used, there's probably quite a few combinations where the handling is completely fine. Finding the right combo might be a bit tricky though, as some combinations could result in poor handling.kma said:
pilchardthecat said:
You'll get premature wear on bushings and other suspension components, and a great deal of under/over steer depending on which axle has the run flats. There is a huge difference in grip and handling characteristics between the two.
"a great deal of under/over steer" - I think that may be exagerating things a bit. It also completely depends on which tyres are used, there's probably quite a few combinations where the handling is completely fine. Finding the right combo might be a bit tricky though, as some combinations could result in poor handling.I bought some winter tyres for 18" wheels and the tyre place couldn't get the same make for all four tyres.
They fitted Pirelli on the front and Kumho on the back and it was only after driving about 5k on them when I took them off I noticed the Pirelli are rft's and the Kumho are proper tyres. Never made any difference to the way the car handled and not really worried they are different. Ins co are not interested either.
They fitted Pirelli on the front and Kumho on the back and it was only after driving about 5k on them when I took them off I noticed the Pirelli are rft's and the Kumho are proper tyres. Never made any difference to the way the car handled and not really worried they are different. Ins co are not interested either.
hyperblue said:
Stupid. Ditch the run flats and get some proper tyres.
Stupid yes mixing them but I wouldn't ditch runflats altogether without properly researching this. Edited by hyperblue on Tuesday 6th July 23:15
Things have changed.
The more modern BMWs ride and handle great on runflats. My Z4 on 19"s and particulary the wifes 1er on 18"s drive fantastic. Infact her 1 series Mnonsense is one of the best handling hatches i've ever driven and the ride is spot on for the firm suspension.
These cars are setup for runflats. Be careful what you change to. The biggest problem with runflats is availability and the only reason I would now be tempted away from them.
V8A*ndy said:
hyperblue said:
Stupid. Ditch the run flats and get some proper tyres.
Stupid yes mixing them but I wouldn't ditch runflats altogether without properly researching this. Edited by hyperblue on Tuesday 6th July 23:15
Things have changed.
The more modern BMWs ride and handle great on runflats. My Z4 on 19"s and particulary the wifes 1er on 18"s drive fantastic. Infact her 1 series Mnonsense is one of the best handling hatches i've ever driven and the ride is spot on for the firm suspension.
These cars are setup for runflats. Be careful what you change to. The biggest problem with runflats is availability and the only reason I would now be tempted away from them.
V8A*ndy said:
hyperblue said:
Stupid. Ditch the run flats and get some proper tyres.
Stupid yes mixing them but I wouldn't ditch runflats altogether without properly researching this. Edited by hyperblue on Tuesday 6th July 23:15
Things have changed.
The more modern BMWs ride and handle great on runflats. My Z4 on 19"s and particulary the wifes 1er on 18"s drive fantastic. Infact her 1 series Mnonsense is one of the best handling hatches i've ever driven and the ride is spot on for the firm suspension.
These cars are setup for runflats. Be careful what you change to. The biggest problem with runflats is availability and the only reason I would now be tempted away from them.
There's a reason no M car has ever been made with runflats.
pilchardthecat said:
V8A*ndy said:
hyperblue said:
Stupid. Ditch the run flats and get some proper tyres.
Stupid yes mixing them but I wouldn't ditch runflats altogether without properly researching this. Edited by hyperblue on Tuesday 6th July 23:15
Things have changed.
The more modern BMWs ride and handle great on runflats. My Z4 on 19"s and particulary the wifes 1er on 18"s drive fantastic. Infact her 1 series Mnonsense is one of the best handling hatches i've ever driven and the ride is spot on for the firm suspension.
These cars are setup for runflats. Be careful what you change to. The biggest problem with runflats is availability and the only reason I would now be tempted away from them.
There's a reason no M car has ever been made with runflats.
I had a slow puncture the other day and was genuinely made up I didn't have run flats on my new Mini. For the last few years of Mini ownership run flats have cost me a fortune with punctures which cannot be repaired despite being a pretty much new tyre. With regular tyres you can unles it's near the side wall or genuinely irrepairable, and it cost around £15 instead of £150!
The Wookie said:
pilchardthecat said:
V8A*ndy said:
hyperblue said:
Stupid. Ditch the run flats and get some proper tyres.
Stupid yes mixing them but I wouldn't ditch runflats altogether without properly researching this. Edited by hyperblue on Tuesday 6th July 23:15
Things have changed.
The more modern BMWs ride and handle great on runflats. My Z4 on 19"s and particulary the wifes 1er on 18"s drive fantastic. Infact her 1 series Mnonsense is one of the best handling hatches i've ever driven and the ride is spot on for the firm suspension.
These cars are setup for runflats. Be careful what you change to. The biggest problem with runflats is availability and the only reason I would now be tempted away from them.
There's a reason no M car has ever been made with runflats.
pilchardthecat said:
Mine's 2008, so one of the newer ones. I actually found the ride etc ok on runflats a bit crashy but not desperately bad, but the traction was poor - the DTC used to come on all the time. It's only when you change to normal tyres that you realise how much better the car is than you think
Yeah, I've found the ride in my M-sport shod 3 door fine, but you're right, every time you go over a sharp bump under even slight power in the dry the DTC light starts pounding away.I was worried about non-runflats needing a setup or losing a bit of response and body control
The Wookie said:
pilchardthecat said:
Mine's 2008, so one of the newer ones. I actually found the ride etc ok on runflats a bit crashy but not desperately bad, but the traction was poor - the DTC used to come on all the time. It's only when you change to normal tyres that you realise how much better the car is than you think
Yeah, I've found the ride in my M-sport shod 3 door fine, but you're right, every time you go over a sharp bump under even slight power in the dry the DTC light starts pounding away.I was worried about non-runflats needing a setup or losing a bit of response and body control
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