Technology for Technologies sake.
Technology for Technologies sake.
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cazzer

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8,883 posts

278 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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I have a hire car at the moment as someone reversed into mine.
I don't do new cars.
This one, Vauxhall Insignia, has an electronic handbrake. Little switch where the handbrake should be. But because this takes a couple of seconds to deploy and remove the car is also fitted with "hill start assist".

Seriously, what is wrong with a cable on a hinged stick. It works, it very rarely goes wrong and you don't need to invent a "hill start assist" system to go with it.

Any other examples of utterly pointless technology? Not necessarily car related.

Dunk1982

429 posts

208 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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+1 And you can't hand brake turn either as I found out! frown

Push button start is cool though!

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

207 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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Possibly because the conventional handbrake on the vectra c which the insignia replaced, was famous for not working on a regular basis, usually at the top of hills! biggrin

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

207 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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Dunk1982 said:
+1 And you can't hand brake turn either as I found out! frown

Push button start is cool though!
I'll nip out and tell my battered 1961 Land Rover SII she's cool. smile

qube_TA

8,405 posts

275 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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My CLK has no dipsticks, the car will tell you when it's low, but only after it's down by 1Litre. You can't check to see exactly how much it will need so I have to rely on the dashboard telling me when it needs some.

Why? A dipstick is perfectly accurate and will never break, requires no technology to tell me exactly how much oil is in the engine & transmission.


ZesPak

26,114 posts

226 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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I've only found out my 159 had "hill start assist" when my gf "couldn't reverse off a slope at the store" rofl

When you don't put it in reverse, and release the brakes, the car "hangs" there for about two seconds.

Oh and the electronic handbrake looks like something pretty stupid to me too. No more car park fun in the winter frown.

Big Rod

6,265 posts

246 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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Automatic braking or brake assist. (Although I think intelligent cruise control has merits.)
Automatic headlights. (Although I think automatic wipers are quite good)

Surely ticking the box on this/these options should ban you from ever being let loose on public roads!

Dunk1982

429 posts

208 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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OnTheOverrun said:
Dunk1982 said:
+1 And you can't hand brake turn either as I found out! frown

Push button start is cool though!
I'll nip out and tell my battered 1961 Land Rover SII she's cool. smile
Old and battered Landies are very cool! thumbup

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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qube_TA said:
My CLK has no dipsticks, the car will tell you when it's low, but only after it's down by 1Litre. You can't check to see exactly how much it will need so I have to rely on the dashboard telling me when it needs some.

Why? A dipstick is perfectly accurate and will never break, requires no technology to tell me exactly how much oil is in the engine & transmission.
Dipstick tube is under the engine cowl. Just drill a hole in the plastic smile

Jonny671

29,903 posts

219 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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qube_TA said:
My CLK has no dipsticks, the car will tell you when it's low, but only after it's down by 1Litre. You can't check to see exactly how much it will need so I have to rely on the dashboard telling me when it needs some.

Why? A dipstick is perfectly accurate and will never break, requires no technology to tell me exactly how much oil is in the engine & transmission.
What if you get a faulty sensor?

Bloody new engine by the time you know your low on the stuff it needs to keep turning.

Stupid idea.

sinizter

3,348 posts

216 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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qube_TA said:
My CLK has no dipsticks, the car will tell you when it's low, but only after it's down by 1Litre. You can't check to see exactly how much it will need so I have to rely on the dashboard telling me when it needs some.

Why? A dipstick is perfectly accurate and will never break, requires no technology to tell me exactly how much oil is in the engine & transmission.
Because the vast majority of people will not use a dipstick. So for most people this would be much more reliable way of getting oil in there when required.

WorAl

10,877 posts

218 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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Yeah, not a fan of all this electronic fkwittery you get on cars these days.

Saw a brand new Jag XKR yesterday. Electronic, gearbox select, electronic handbrake, electronic dipstick, wtf? as mentioned above, if the oil goes down, how do you know how much to put back in?

However I remember my Subaru Forester had hill start thing, can't remember how it worked but it was actually quite good. (not electronic though)

Jonny671

29,903 posts

219 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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WorAl said:
Yeah, not a fan of all this electronic fkwittery you get on cars these days.

Saw a brand new Jag XKR yesterday. Electronic, gearbox select, electronic handbrake, electronic dipstick, wtf? as mentioned above, if the oil goes down, how do you know how much to put back in?

However I remember my Subaru Forester had hill start thing, can't remember how it worked but it was actually quite good. (not electronic though)
They've got it on the New Mazda2, not sure how it works either and I haven't driven one yet but if they carry on making clutches as light as they are now they'll need this damn hill start stuff so you know where the bite is!

DrTre

12,957 posts

262 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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sinizter said:
qube_TA said:
My CLK has no dipsticks, the car will tell you when it's low, but only after it's down by 1Litre. You can't check to see exactly how much it will need so I have to rely on the dashboard telling me when it needs some.

Why? A dipstick is perfectly accurate and will never break, requires no technology to tell me exactly how much oil is in the engine & transmission.
Because the vast majority of people will not use a dipstick. So for most people this would be much more reliable way of getting oil in there when required.
Er no. While I agree it's a more reliable way of telling people they're "low" on oil, by not providing a way of actually telling them by how much then all it is is a much more reliable way of milking them for money via a trip to the dealers.

king arthur

7,887 posts

291 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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Self service supermarket checkouts.

They've just installed four of these in a supermarket nearby, replacing a couple of "express" tills. Trouble is, even though I'm quite good at using them, it still probably takes me twice as long to scan all my items as it would a reasonably skilled checkout girl. Most people are slower than that, so there's not really any time saved. And of course they still need to employ a couple of supervisors to approve sales of alcohol, and to help the poor hapless people who've confused the machine by trying to scan two things at once.

Bring back the checkout girls, at least some of them are pretty to look at.

Jonny671

29,903 posts

219 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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king arthur said:
Self service supermarket checkouts.

They've just installed four of these in a supermarket nearby, replacing a couple of "express" tills. Trouble is, even though I'm quite good at using them, it still probably takes me twice as long to scan all my items as it would a reasonably skilled checkout girl. Most people are slower than that, so there's not really any time saved. And of course they still need to employ a couple of supervisors to approve sales of alcohol, and to help the poor hapless people who've confused the machine by trying to scan two things at once.

Bring back the checkout girls, at least some of them are pretty to look at.
I agree with the latter comment biggrin

But, said Checkout Supervisor can supervise what.. 10+Tills at one go from their main station thing, and let all the cretins mess around trying to scan their own stuff.. So money saving for the retailer.

GT Kodiak

2,907 posts

209 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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Drove the newest 535i... Nightmare inside, gadgets and gizmos everywhere, couldn't find the button to turn off the child lock so had to use the key fob to do it in the end.

Current car is just a cheap hatch but I'm not even a fan of the electric steering and throttle. Give me cables and linkages any day.


JM

3,170 posts

236 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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WorAl said:
electronic dipstick, wtf? as mentioned above, if the oil goes down, how do you know how much to put back in?
Don't know about modern cars, but when the Renault Laguna first came out they had an oil level gauge that would show (I think in either the fuel or engine temp gauge) when you first turned the ignition on. It was pretty accurate, though it also had a mechanical gauge (dip-stick) so you could double check.


WorAl said:
However I remember my Subaru Forester had hill start thing, can't remember how it worked but it was actually quite good. (not electronic though)
Yea don't know if newer Subaru's still have "Hill Holder" (it's not on my Turbo, was on my Legacy) but the old ones had it. Worked from pressing the brake pedal, but only on hills you were going up, not down.


freecar

4,249 posts

217 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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king arthur said:
Self service supermarket checkouts.

They've just installed four of these in a supermarket nearby, replacing a couple of "express" tills. Trouble is, even though I'm quite good at using them, it still probably takes me twice as long to scan all my items as it would a reasonably skilled checkout girl. Most people are slower than that, so there's not really any time saved. And of course they still need to employ a couple of supervisors to approve sales of alcohol, and to help the poor hapless people who've confused the machine by trying to scan two things at once.

Bring back the checkout girls, at least some of them are pretty to look at.
I too agree with the last comment. But I am faster than any checkout girl could be as there is no double handling, I scan and bag quicker than I would have if I had to wait for the items to come down the conveyr belt.

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

196 months

Monday 12th July 2010
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Had an Insignia hire acar a few weeks back. Tried to get along with the electric handbrake (finger brake?), I really did, but I just couldn't get used to it.

Driving up to a set of traffic lights on an uphill slope, and trying to use it like a manual handbrake (apply handbrake when car comes to a stop, without using foot brake). I just couldn't get my timing right, i'm either throwing myself through the windscreen due to pressing the button too early, or losing my nerve and pressing the foot brake as the car starts to roll back, due to the wait between hitting the button and the handbrake applying.

Just had electric paper towel dispensers installed at work. No advantage over the manually dispensed towels we had previously.