Motorway 'traffic information signs', self fulfilling?
Motorway 'traffic information signs', self fulfilling?
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joe_90

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4,206 posts

261 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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I have noticed this quite a few times now on my daily drive from Swindon to Chippenham on the M4.

Basically, ahead (a few miles) is a car that has broken down and sat on the hard shoulder. The 'traffic officers' have parked up, and everyone is fine and off of the road.

However a few miles back a '50 accident sign' or three are lit up like a beacon of distress. All the traffic starts to slow, the outside lane is the first to slow and then within minutes the 50 changes to a 40.. Now all the traffic bunches up and comes to a grinding halt.

Once past the last 40 sign, the traffic starts to flow again.. A few miles later you obviously get the rubberneckers slowing down to look at the broken Corsa, but nothing has happened, there was no need for the concertina effect, bar the signs. I am sure with no signs people would have just drive past the accident and the traffic flow would have not been disrupted.

Anyone else noticed this.

TL;TR Traffic signs cause slow/stop traffic when they are not needed..

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

196 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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I had one work nicely in my favour last Saturday on the M60. Signs were showing outside lane closed, and the majority of people moved over to the inside 2 lanes, though I carried on the the outside lane (merge when you get to the obstruction, I always say). We passed approx 3 miles of queueing traffic, and it turned out there was no obstruction at all. Made up a nice bit of time on my journey there.

Hope they do it more often!

ETA: There is no need for 3 miles of signs requesting people to move out of the outside lane. Even if there was an obstruction in lane 3, the signs were making the queue much worse than it needed to be, by clearing the outside lane for 3 miles.

Edited by mnkiboy on Thursday 22 July 08:23

Dog Star

17,608 posts

198 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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I can honestly say that I think they do more harm than good - at a guass 80% of the time they are giving false information - yesterday M62 - "Queue ahead 40" - there was fk all!

And as for all those "Spray" "Fog" etc well duh! I have eyes and a brain - I don't need this stuff, and if you do then you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car etc.

If there's a queue ahead then I will react to it when I see it mad

joe_90

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4,206 posts

261 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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They should all just say 'KEEP LEFT'

Ray Singh

3,084 posts

260 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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I travel on the M4 daily between Swindon and Reading and have learnt to ignore the signs as they are always left on after some incident 6 hours ago.


XG332

3,927 posts

218 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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joe_90 said:
They should all just say 'KEEP LEFT'
Great idea, i hate it profusely. I was never taught how to use a motorway, yet i would say i was one of the better ones.

Jonny671

29,903 posts

219 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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They deliberately do it so slow everyone down.. You get to the front, and theres nothing there mad

leggly

1,850 posts

241 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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40 mph matrix signs on the M42 on moanday night at midnight. The feckers had closed off two lanes to pick up litter from the central reservation. Millions wasted to fk up the roads with useless information!furious

blueg33

46,561 posts

254 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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Sign yesterday said "Slow - Debris in Road" And they were right, a lorry tyre in the third lane, if I hadnt slowed I would have hit it as I was unsighted until the vehicle in front of me passed it. I think the car behind me clipped it.

Dr_Gonzo

962 posts

255 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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joe_90 said:
I have noticed this quite a few times now on my daily drive from Swindon to Chippenham on the M4.

Basically, ahead (a few miles) is a car that has broken down and sat on the hard shoulder. The 'traffic officers' have parked up, and everyone is fine and off of the road.
banghead

djt100

1,741 posts

215 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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I drive round the M25 every weekday and they are the cause of the traffic, I completely ignore them and drive with the flow of traffic, times when it has said 40 anf i am the only car on the road. Carry on at normal speed.

bluetone

2,047 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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joe_90 said:
I have noticed this quite a few times now on my daily drive from Swindon to Chippenham on the M4.
I go the opposite way every day and yes, the quality and timliness of information is generally very poor and the warnings overly cautious in my view.

I have a theory <dons tinfoil hat> that the real reason for the new large/OTT signs is to provide drivers with road pricing information in future - the cost of such a scheme was deemed by previous Parliaments to be prohibitive so I reckon the previous Govt. started rolling-out the infrastructure anyway, the cost buried under the heading 'Road Safety'.

When motorway pricing starts to be rolled-out I expect the western end of the M4 to be in the pilot scheme. This topic is currently under review from our cash-strapped Govt.

ETA linky.

Edited by bluetone on Thursday 22 July 10:22

Engineer1

10,486 posts

239 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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Has it occurred to you that the 40 Queue warning may be to slow people down and give what ever is causing the queue a chance to clear? It is possible that something happened 15 miles down the motorway so the warning signs are put on by the time you have travelled the 15 miles the issue could have been resolved.

bluetone

2,047 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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Engineer1 said:
Has it occurred to you that the 40 Queue warning may be to slow people down and give what ever is causing the queue a chance to clear? It is possible that something happened 15 miles down the motorway so the warning signs are put on by the time you have travelled the 15 miles the issue could have been resolved.
15 miles!?!? There you have it - why not activate the signs in the locale of the incident rather than 15 miles down the road? rolleyes

joe_90

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4,206 posts

261 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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bluetone said:
joe_90 said:
I have noticed this quite a few times now on my daily drive from Swindon to Chippenham on the M4.
I go the opposite way every day and yes, the quality and timliness of information is generally very poor and the warnings overly cautious in my view.

I have a theory <dons tinfoil hat> that the real reason for the new large/OTT signs is to provide drivers with road pricing information in future - the cost of such a scheme was deemed by previous Parliaments to be prohibitive so I reckon the previous Govt. started rolling-out the infrastructure anyway, the cost buried under the heading 'Road Safety'.

When motorway pricing starts to be rolled-out I expect the western end of the M4 to be in the pilot scheme. This topic is currently under review from our cash-strapped Govt.

ETA linky.

Edited by bluetone on Thursday 22 July 10:22
Im the morning I go from chips to swindon smile It just normally is on the way home, and fridays.. well that is another matter.

Edited by joe_90 on Thursday 22 July 10:33

joe_90

Original Poster:

4,206 posts

261 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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Engineer1 said:
Has it occurred to you that the 40 Queue warning may be to slow people down and give what ever is causing the queue a chance to clear? It is possible that something happened 15 miles down the motorway so the warning signs are put on by the time you have travelled the 15 miles the issue could have been resolved.
The point a car changing it wheel on the side of the road, should NOT be a cause for people to drive past or cause issues, and normally its not.

However putting a 40mph on 10 miles before causes chaos at that point.

Dog Star

17,608 posts

198 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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bluetone said:
I have a theory <dons tinfoil hat> that the real reason for the new large/OTT signs is to provide drivers with road pricing information in future - the cost of such a scheme was deemed by previous Parliaments to be prohibitive so I reckon the previous Govt. started rolling-out the infrastructure anyway, the cost buried under the heading 'Road Safety'.
Good thinking! I really think you might have something there.

bluetone

2,047 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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joe_90 said:
Im the morning I go from chips to swindon smile It just normally is on the way home, and fridays.. well that is another matter.
Well if you see a green Mk1 MX5 with black alloys, a rollbar and a PH smiley in the back window, give us a wavey

wink

Craigwww

853 posts

199 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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Personally, I hate delays as much as the rest of you, BUT to openly admit you IGNORE traffic safety and speed restriction signs, displayed in an attempt to minimise risk to public in the event of an incident, is just stupid and ignorant. I'd expect that of a chavvy 18yr old Corsa driver.

A few weeks ago I passed a women with two kids who had just broken down on the outside lane of the motorway in heavy, stop/start traffic. The motorway signs closed off that lane and reduced the speed of the traffic to avoid an accident, just glad none of you idiots were on that stretch of motorway at the same time.

Edited by Craigwww on Thursday 22 July 12:47

Jonny671

29,903 posts

219 months

Thursday 22nd July 2010
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Craigwww said:
Personally, I hate delays as much as tne rest of you, BUT to openly admit you IGNORE traffic safety ans speed restriction signs, displayed in an attempt to minimise risk to public in the event of an incident, is just stupid and ignorant. I'd expect that of a chavvy 18yr old Corsa driver.

A few weeks ago I passed a women with two kids who had just broken down on the outside lane of the motorway in heavy, stop/start traffic. The motorway signs closed off that lane and reduced the speed of the traffic to avoid an accident, just glad none of you idiots were on that stretch of motorway at the same time.
Explain the ones that take you down to 30mph in each lane to get to the ones when they go back to NSL and have passed nothing untoward on any lane, eh.