RE: RS Porsche 911s: You Know You Want To...
RE: RS Porsche 911s: You Know You Want To...
Tuesday 3rd August 2010

RS Porsche 911s: You Know You Want To...

Take time-out to peruse some hotshoe Porsches with PH



Most of us can only dream about owning a Porsche 911 GT2 RS, reckons Adam Towler and – well - you can’t argue with him because he’s right.

But magnificent though the GT2 RS may be, you don’t have to bemoan the fact that you aren’t one of the lucky 500 owners.

You don’t even have to have car funds that stretch to the £170k you would need to get your backside behind the steering wheel of a GT2 RS to have RS-flavoured Porsche fun. Because there are plenty of other RS-badged Porsches out there. And you can find them in your favourite classified section (that’s the PH classifieds, by the way…)

Juicy offers range from the classic (and deeply desirable) 1973 2.7 ‘duck tail’ RS all the way through to the 2007 Gen1 997 GT3 RS. There are even quite a few Gen2 GT3 RSs out there in PH land, though for the moment most of those are still commanding a chunky premium over the £105k list price.

But if you’re looking for a bit more of a bargain, check out the RS on these beauties. And yes, we know you know we know you want to - so aren't you glad we're here to help?

1973 911 Carrera 2.7 RS ‘Duck tail’


The car that effectively begat the whole RS lineage has been almost unbearably desirable ever since it was launched – every one of the 500 originally planned were sold at the 1972 Paris motor show, with 50 of those going on the first day.

Eventually Porsche built 1580 2.7 RSs, but they are rare as, er, duck teeth on the open market and, should you spot one, chances are it’ll have a price tag of at least £150k.

There are some quite convincing replicas around, however, such as this one, based on a 1979 911 SC, up for £36,995.

964 RS

£120k, but only 2965 miles...
£120k, but only 2965 miles...
The 964 RS is quite a track weapon, but a notoriously uncompromising beast to live with day to day, a particular problem being its rock-hard ride – part of its track-oriented tweaks was to drop it by 40mm.

This 260bhp hardcore chap came without electric windows or electric seats, air-con, a stereo, or much in the way of sound deadening (although a Touring version with a few more creature comforts was also available.

Prices seem to range widely, from £54k for a fairly average 964 RS to a gut-wrenching £120,000 for a right-hook car with just 3000 miles on the odo.

993 Carrera RS


The 1995 911 Carrera RS might look like quite a modest beast compared with the spoilered and stickered beasts that succeeded it but, as one of the last iterations of the air-cooled 911, the 993 commands a fair bit of respect – and a hefty price tag.

It might look like an everyday 911 save for a fixed rear spoiler, a reworked front bumper, flared wheelarches and a pair of understated side skirts, but it means business. There are thicker anti-roll bars, cross-drilled and ventilated discs from the 993 Turbo, as well as seam-welded body panels, thinner glass, no rear seats and an aluminium bonnet.

When it was new, the 911 Carrera RS commanded a price tag of £68,495. But fewer than 50 were made in right-hand drive, and even LHD cars will still set you back more than the car’s original list price. We found a left-hook £49k-mile 993 RS in black on sale for £80k, and one with 45k miles up for £83k. The only right-hand-drive car we came up with was this, for a cool £100,000 - and that has been sold...

996 GT3 RS


Just as the air-cooled 993 is a more desirable prospect than the water-cooled 996, so the used values of the 996 GT3 RS are somewhat softer.

Despite the fact that Porsche imported only 113 examples of the GT3 RS, you should be able to find a clean example of the 381bhp RennSport for less than the price of a brand-new Carrera.

If you’re keen on a spot of track-hooning, then the 996 GT3 RS, with its polycarbonate rear window, carbon fibre bonnet and rear wing, half roll cage and optional carbon-ceramic brakes might just be the car for you…

997 GT3 RS (first generation)

Not quite the real deal, but only £70k
Not quite the real deal, but only £70k
… Of course, if you really want some on-track fun, you want the first iteration of the 997 GT3 RS.

This will get you 409bhp-worth of flat six, as much outlandish track-car graphics and wing as you can deal with, a 0-60mph time of a scant four seconds and a top speed that’s knocking on the door of 200mph (well, 193mph; it’s got quite a light knock).

You will have to shell out a bit more of the green stuff to get a 997 over a 996, mind – the cheapest 997 GT3 RS (spec) we’ve found is up for £70k (and that's a re-creation not an original), while £86k is far from inconceivable. And you’ll have to put up with the fact that the latest gen 2 997 GT3 has just come out…

Author
Discussion

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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The blue car is not a GT3 RS...........

porcupineprince

624 posts

215 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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BigGameHunter said:
The blue car is not a GT3 RS...........
????

Mag1calTrev0r

6,481 posts

258 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Noob hat on now...
Why are the air-cooled models considered to be more desirable than then water-cooled varieties?

Riggers

1,859 posts

207 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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BigGameHunter said:
The blue car is not a GT3 RS...........
Okay, okay - a little bit disingenuous, but it is true RS spec (copy tweaked to make that more clear smile)...

Here's a 'proper' one

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1765953.htm (in proper black 'n' tan doberman spec too...)

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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porcupineprince said:
BigGameHunter said:
The blue car is not a GT3 RS...........
????
Quite simply , its not an RS , as the title of the ad states its "RS Spec" , the author of the piece also comments that the 997 GT3 RS.1 will do "0-50" in 4 seconds , I think its actually 0-60.



Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd August 10:30

Riggers

1,859 posts

207 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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BigGameHunter said:
porcupineprince said:
BigGameHunter said:
The blue car is not a GT3 RS...........
????
Quite simply , its not an RS , as the title of the ad states its "RS Spec" , the author of the piece also comments that the 997 GT3 RS.1 will do "0-50" in 4 seconds , I think its actually 0-60.



Edited by BigGameHunter on Tuesday 3rd August 10:30
Now says 0-60mph. I'm going home to start the day again... getmecoat

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Riggers said:
BigGameHunter said:
porcupineprince said:
BigGameHunter said:
The blue car is not a GT3 RS...........
????
Quite simply , its not an RS , as the title of the ad states its "RS Spec" , the author of the piece also comments that the 997 GT3 RS.1 will do "0-50" in 4 seconds , I think its actually 0-60.



Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd August 10:30
Now says 0-60mph. I'm going home to start the day again... getmecoat
Spot on , good read anyway!

Shropshiremike

24,472 posts

232 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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At 120 for a second-hand 964RS I think I'd rather save up the extra 50k and get a new GT2 RS.
If I was spending over 100k I'd feel cheated if my 911RS didn't have turbo power

Irrelevant anyway now as all the GT2 RS are sold

clarkey

1,426 posts

313 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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painful reading as I sold a perfect right hand drive 964RS for £36k only 5 years ago, I wonder what it's worth now.....

leon9191

752 posts

222 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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The 993 Carrera RS is a real stunner! Dream car of mine.

The 996 is a real performance bargin at the moment be it RS or any other variant, Turbos seem esspecially cheap.

Loved Porsche since I was a boy and this time next year should see me with my first 911 with some luck, just a Carrera 2 to start with though.

Edited by leon9191 on Tuesday 3rd August 10:56

bikemonster

1,188 posts

270 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Mag1calTrev0r said:
Noob hat on now...
Why are the air-cooled models considered to be more desirable than then water-cooled varieties?
A bunch of reasons:

1 - They have the cachet of being what Porsche made its name with. The "real deal" if you will. It's a snob thing to some extent, and a purity thing to some extent.
2 - They are a more challenging drive as they are more prone to snap oversteer if driven with a lack of respect when approaching the limit.
3 - They may possibly offer a more "communicative" drive. I can't claim this one with any degree of authority as I've only driven air cooled Carrera 3.2's.
4 - The years have not been kind to the styling of the 996 cars, in particular the "fried egg" headlamps. My take on it is that 997 models will hold their value better than 996's, in much the same way that pre-964 cars seem to hold their value better than 964's.

All of the above, my opinion nothing more, feel free to disagree.

Snoggledog

9,258 posts

246 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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bikemonster said:
Mag1calTrev0r said:
Noob hat on now...
Why are the air-cooled models considered to be more desirable than then water-cooled varieties?
A bunch of reasons:

1 - They have the cachet of being what Porsche made its name with. The "real deal" if you will. It's a snob thing to some extent, and a purity thing to some extent.
2 - They are a more challenging drive as they are more prone to snap oversteer if driven with a lack of respect when approaching the limit.
3 - They may possibly offer a more "communicative" drive. I can't claim this one with any degree of authority as I've only driven air cooled Carrera 3.2's.
4 - The years have not been kind to the styling of the 996 cars, in particular the "fried egg" headlamps. My take on it is that 997 models will hold their value better than 996's, in much the same way that pre-964 cars seem to hold their value better than 964's.

All of the above, my opinion nothing more, feel free to disagree.
They also sound nicer.

sad61t

1,100 posts

239 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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You weren't, by chance, watching the re-run of TG on Dave over breakfast this morning where Hamster was extolling the virtues of a red 911 GT2?

Garlick

40,601 posts

269 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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clarkey said:
painful reading as I sold a perfect right hand drive 964RS for £36k only 5 years ago, I wonder what it's worth now.....
I too kick myself for different reasons. At one time the 964RS (my dream car) was affordable, in fact I would have bought yours. Instead I chose to dawdle and let a few years pass and now they are out of my reach frown

Dagnut

3,515 posts

222 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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I know a car is worth what people will pay for it but 99k for a 993 rs.....

SWoll

22,816 posts

287 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Saw this on Tom Hartley this morning

997 GT3 RS Gen II

Gorgeous. Never a fan of the two tone paint scheme so for me this one is perfect.

Found it quite amusing that it had Sat Nav as well....

P4ROT

1,219 posts

222 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Great article guys! 997.2 GT3 RS is my dream car- i'd have one over pretty much anything.

Saw this one when I was looking the other day- 9ff tuned to 750 BHP!!! (for those of you missing turbo power...)

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1873118.htm

Mag1calTrev0r

6,481 posts

258 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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bikemonster said:
Mag1calTrev0r said:
Noob hat on now...
Why are the air-cooled models considered to be more desirable than then water-cooled varieties?
A bunch of reasons:

1 - They have the cachet of being what Porsche made its name with. The "real deal" if you will. It's a snob thing to some extent, and a purity thing to some extent.
2 - They are a more challenging drive as they are more prone to snap oversteer if driven with a lack of respect when approaching the limit.
3 - They may possibly offer a more "communicative" drive. I can't claim this one with any degree of authority as I've only driven air cooled Carrera 3.2's.
4 - The years have not been kind to the styling of the 996 cars, in particular the "fried egg" headlamps. My take on it is that 997 models will hold their value better than 996's, in much the same way that pre-964 cars seem to hold their value better than 964's.

All of the above, my opinion nothing more, feel free to disagree.
Cheers smile

mcbook

1,442 posts

204 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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I reckon the 996 would be a reasonable long-term investment. Current design trends have made it look a little dated but that won't last forever. As design moves on it'll be more about how it performs and its exclusivity rather than what it looks like compared to the 997.

I'm going to buy one right now. Damn - I seem to be several thousand short!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

200 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Dagnut said:
I know a car is worth what people will pay for it but 99k for a 993 rs.....
It's not the car is 99k's worth of driving pleasure, but you are buying nostalgia.

Take the Porsche badge off that 993RS, and how much would it be worth?