Oil change after 1k miles. Worth it?
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As per the title really.
I hopefully pick my Panda 100 up next week so will be looking to 'train' the engine to be as powerful as a 100bhp, 1.4 can be!
I've previously changed oil on a new car (Clio 182) at 6k and it made a LOT of difference, should I wait that long again or do it a lot earlier?
I hopefully pick my Panda 100 up next week so will be looking to 'train' the engine to be as powerful as a 100bhp, 1.4 can be!
I've previously changed oil on a new car (Clio 182) at 6k and it made a LOT of difference, should I wait that long again or do it a lot earlier?
MCN did an experiment a few years ago where they had two GSXR600s. One followed the running in procedure and one was thrashed from day one. They then dyno'd both bikes and the thrashed bike make about 10 more bhp IIRC.
Given you are accelerating the running in process I would be tempted to oil change early as you'll have accumulated a lot of metal particulates. I'm assuming it's not a long term keeper.
Given you are accelerating the running in process I would be tempted to oil change early as you'll have accumulated a lot of metal particulates. I'm assuming it's not a long term keeper.
Just follow the manufacturer's recommendations (in the handbook, not what the dealer says).
There's a vast amount of hearsay knocking about, generally the people that know best are the ones who have designed the engine, and they're the people that define what's put in the manual.
ETA - Also there's more than a few studies knocking about that suggest that modern oil lubricity actually improves marginally with mileage up to a point (e.g. 12,000 miles), and doesn't deteriorate unless it's diluted by petrol
Changing the oil every 3,000 miles, counterintuitively, might actually promote engine wear with modern oils.
ETA again - Here you go http://papers.sae.org/2007-01-4133
There's a vast amount of hearsay knocking about, generally the people that know best are the ones who have designed the engine, and they're the people that define what's put in the manual.
ETA - Also there's more than a few studies knocking about that suggest that modern oil lubricity actually improves marginally with mileage up to a point (e.g. 12,000 miles), and doesn't deteriorate unless it's diluted by petrol
Changing the oil every 3,000 miles, counterintuitively, might actually promote engine wear with modern oils.
ETA again - Here you go http://papers.sae.org/2007-01-4133
Edited by The Wookie on Tuesday 10th August 16:27
Its a good idea.
New engines will always have some particles of metal in them which will be held in the oil once you start driving it from new.
My old Lotus Exige was supplied with some type of light oil which was then changed to fully synthetic stuff at the 1000 mile service.
It might not be necessary on all cars but if you dont mind paying £30 or so for new oil it certainly wont do any harm.
New engines will always have some particles of metal in them which will be held in the oil once you start driving it from new.
My old Lotus Exige was supplied with some type of light oil which was then changed to fully synthetic stuff at the 1000 mile service.
It might not be necessary on all cars but if you dont mind paying £30 or so for new oil it certainly wont do any harm.
'always start manuals with the clutch down' and prevent oil from getting to the crankshaft thrust bearings! 
The old chestnut of depressing the clutch stems from the days when the starter would struggle with the load of the g/box. Modern equipment and lower viscosity oils do away with the need to do it.
One of the drivers I worked with always thrashed a new truck from day one. His was always the best!
The old chestnut of depressing the clutch stems from the days when the starter would struggle with the load of the g/box. Modern equipment and lower viscosity oils do away with the need to do it.
One of the drivers I worked with always thrashed a new truck from day one. His was always the best!
Edited by fangio on Tuesday 10th August 18:26
fangio said:
'always start manuals with the clutch down' and prevent oil from getting to the crankshaft thrust bearings!
The old chestnut of depressing the clutch stems from the days when the starter would struggle with the load of the g/box. Modern equipment and lower viscosity oils do away with the need to do it.
But two of three of our cars won't do anything unless the clutch pedal is depressed...The old chestnut of depressing the clutch stems from the days when the starter would struggle with the load of the g/box. Modern equipment and lower viscosity oils do away with the need to do it.
Ozzie Osmond said:
raf_gti said:
I've previously changed oil on a new car (Clio 182) at 6k and it made a LOT of difference.....
like what sort of difference?
It made the engine feel much livlier and responsive, at least subjectively it did anyway.
Unfortunately unless I were to buy one new car a year I've no real way of comparing like for like.
For the sake of a few ££s I will have the oil changed, even better if I can persuade the dealer to do it for free!
raf_gti said:
3 seconds off the 0-60, I couldn't believe it
It made the engine feel much livlier and responsive, at least subjectively it did anyway.
Unfortunately unless I were to buy one new car a year I've no real way of comparing like for like.
For the sake of a few ££s I will have the oil changed, even better if I can persuade the dealer to do it for free!
Before you drive it away, check the oil level, I've found Main Dealers often overfill the oil.It made the engine feel much livlier and responsive, at least subjectively it did anyway.
Unfortunately unless I were to buy one new car a year I've no real way of comparing like for like.
For the sake of a few ££s I will have the oil changed, even better if I can persuade the dealer to do it for free!
Can be as bad as underfilling.
Edit, to sort my quoting.
Edited by WhoseGeneration on Tuesday 10th August 19:33
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