2stroke cars
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busta

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262 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Having recently purchased a 2 stroke motorbike that generates 320hp/litre and is the equivalent of a 4 stroke bike of twice the capacity, Ii's got me thinking about the history of 2 stroke engines in cars.

The only thing I know for certain is that early Suzuki LJ10 jeeps had a 359cc 24hp 2stroke engine, and later a whopping 539cc! They where, by most accounts, fairly bombproof and easy to fix when they did go wrong.



Was the trabant a 2stroke?

What other cars have used 2stroke engines and are there any motorsport successes from 2 stroke powered cars?

Information on 2 strokes here for the less informed



Edited by busta on Monday 23 August 20:44

TonyRPH

13,539 posts

197 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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60's DKWs were 2 stroke.



Some interesting info about DKWs and strokes on this site, including a V6.

I also recall reading about a Toyota 6 cyl inline 2 stroke experimental engine in the South African CAR Magazine back in the 80's.

ETA

Toyota 2 Stroke Engine

And...

While many auto manufacturers are looking at two-stroke engines for small, economy cars, Toyota has developed its six-cylinder, 3-1, two-stroke S-2 engine for use in high-performance luxury cars. The S-2 uses a conventional dual-overhead camshaft, 24-valve head with two intake and two exhaust valves per cylinder. It uses a Rootes-type supercharger to both scavenge the combustion chamber of exhaust products and to draw in the new air charge. The engine also uses direct electronic fuel injection and computerized ignition control.



Edited by TonyRPH on Monday 23 August 18:48

Chris944_S2

2,063 posts

252 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Saab 96 was a 2-stroke and quite succesful rally car

snuffle

1,587 posts

211 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Wartburg, but I am not going to look for a pic,Even though I once owned an FSO Polonez, I refuse to google search for Wartburgs.

MC Bodge

29,656 posts

204 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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ps. What the 320bhp/litre bike?

snuffle

1,587 posts

211 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Turbo R1 ?

Strawman

6,463 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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The Mitsubishi Minicar LA had a two stroke engine with a pre-mix system for mixing the oil and petrol.


Pothole

34,367 posts

311 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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bustaI think that's an LJ20 isn't it? The LJ10 had horizontal grille...there were lots of two stroke cars in the 50s and 60s...the Messerchmitt KRs, for instance, and a few of the British microcars like the Peel P50


XitUp

7,690 posts

233 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Chris944_S2 said:
Saab 96 was a 2-stroke and quite succesful rally car
Quite a few Saabs had that engine.


Cecil

337 posts

220 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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And a right little cracker it is too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saab_2stroke_eng...

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

233 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Don't know why we don't have modern 2 strokes as the most powerful and most efficient engines in the world are 2 strokes

stuckmojo

4,056 posts

217 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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2 strokes have massive torque and HP and very few moving parts. I believe Piaggio was developing a very hi-tech 2 stroke engine for many applications, including cars.

Pothole

34,367 posts

311 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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thinfourth2 said:
Don't know why we don't have modern 2 strokes as the most powerful and most efficient engines in the world are 2 strokes
emissions?

littleredrooster

6,376 posts

225 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Direct-injection 2-smokes could well be the engine of the future. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_Corporation
I don't think we've heard the last ring-ting-ting of a 2-stroke engine just yet...

stuckmojo

4,056 posts

217 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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stuckmojo said:
2 strokes have massive torque and HP and very few moving parts. I believe Piaggio was developing a very hi-tech 2 stroke engine for many applications, including cars.
something like this


http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/06/16/tss11...

1100cc, 250 horsepower

140litre

50 posts

228 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Don't know about cars,I drive a 2 stroke diesel at work and that's got 3300hp !

dougc

8,241 posts

294 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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New Fiat 500 Twinair is a 2 stroke isn't it?

RedYellowGreen

470 posts

259 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Fiat used to make 2 stroke versions of their small cars. There was for instance a 2 stroke version of the 90s Cinquecento tho I think only available in certain markets such as Poland for instance. 99.9% certain they were not sold here in the UK.

TonyRPH

13,539 posts

197 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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Pothole said:
thinfourth2 said:
Don't know why we don't have modern 2 strokes as the most powerful and most efficient engines in the world are 2 strokes
emissions?
Emissions indeed.

busta

Original Poster:

4,504 posts

262 months

Monday 23rd August 2010
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MC Bodge said:
ps. What the 320bhp/litre bike?
Husqvarna CR125 Motocross bike. 125cc and near as makes no odds to 40hp. It does need a rebuild every 15 hours though so not really comparable to anything car like.

Whats the power delivery like in a 2 stroke car? If it's anything like a bike it would be insanely inpractical on the road.

Pothole said:
bustaI think that's an LJ20 isn't it? The LJ10 had horizontal grille...
I don't doubt you are correct, it was one of the first pictures google found me.



Edited by busta on Monday 23 August 21:00