Shopping car: Peugeot 106 1.1 or 1.5D?
Discussion
In the market for a cheap <£500 snotter I can park on the road, run to work and back and chuck stuff in the back for trips to the tip etc. I want it to be as cheap as possible to run.
Like the look of the Mk1 or early Mk2 Peugeot 106. Head says to go for the 1.5D as it'll do a million MPG. However, there aren't too many of them for sale <£500 instead most are the 1.1 Petrol. Strangely, these are a bit cheaper to insure too.
Figures suggest that I could average 55mpg tootling about in the 1.5D and about 45mpg in the 1.1. Is this realistic?
Which engine is less troublesome?
Like the look of the Mk1 or early Mk2 Peugeot 106. Head says to go for the 1.5D as it'll do a million MPG. However, there aren't too many of them for sale <£500 instead most are the 1.1 Petrol. Strangely, these are a bit cheaper to insure too.
Figures suggest that I could average 55mpg tootling about in the 1.5D and about 45mpg in the 1.1. Is this realistic?
Which engine is less troublesome?
I ran a 106 1.5D 5 dr as a snotter when I was between MINIs 5 years ago.
Bought for 400 quid including a years MOT from my local cheapie dealer, it had 72k miles on the clock and FSH!
Gave it a cambelt change and a full service and ran it for 8 weeks whilst waiting for my next car. In this time it did 6k miles.
Averaged around 65mpg, and it would cruise at a steady 80 mph on the motorway.
Added two new branded tyres before I sold it for 775 quid.
Cheapest motoring I've ever had!
Robert
Bought for 400 quid including a years MOT from my local cheapie dealer, it had 72k miles on the clock and FSH!
Gave it a cambelt change and a full service and ran it for 8 weeks whilst waiting for my next car. In this time it did 6k miles.
Averaged around 65mpg, and it would cruise at a steady 80 mph on the motorway.
Added two new branded tyres before I sold it for 775 quid.
Cheapest motoring I've ever had!
Robert
Ran a Mk 1 106 XND Graduate from new until around 62k miles a year and a half later in the early 90s. This was the older 1360cc diesel, with only 50 horses. Felt woefully underpowered, I remember one windy, rainy night being unable to do more than 60mph on an uphill stretch of the M8!
1.5D was much better, even though it had only 8 more horses. Drove the Saxo variant of that, which might be worth considering, could be more of them around than the 106.
Worth bearing in mind, if it's important to you, than none of the Mk1 106's had power steering, and the base diesels on the Mk 2 106 and Saxo models didn't either. Steering was pretty heavy, as I recall, making it cumbersome around town and when parking.
As has been mentioned, though, the damn things ran on fresh air, it was pretty much impossible to get get less than 50mpg.
1.5D was much better, even though it had only 8 more horses. Drove the Saxo variant of that, which might be worth considering, could be more of them around than the 106.
Worth bearing in mind, if it's important to you, than none of the Mk1 106's had power steering, and the base diesels on the Mk 2 106 and Saxo models didn't either. Steering was pretty heavy, as I recall, making it cumbersome around town and when parking.
As has been mentioned, though, the damn things ran on fresh air, it was pretty much impossible to get get less than 50mpg.
I had a 1.4D 106 for a year before the engine gave upon surprising low mileage but I got it cheaply (£350) so wasn't bothered.
At the end of the day both are fine, if they last you a year then you done well and will only be saving +-£50 whatever one you buy. Less insurance and initial purchase on the petrol will make up for the fuel savings from the diesel.
At the end of the day both are fine, if they last you a year then you done well and will only be saving +-£50 whatever one you buy. Less insurance and initial purchase on the petrol will make up for the fuel savings from the diesel.
BarnatosGhost said:
you'll pay "1st car" premium. Better, bigger, cheaper cars available.
Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
Not really, I can get a good example of either for £500 with plenty of T&T. If I was looking to spend £2k on the same size car than I'd agree with your statement!Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
A bigger car such as a Mondeo etc may be a small amount cheaper but will cost me more in insurance*, fuel etc.
I also want something as small as possible as parking on my street is at a massive premium!
- 106 insurance is £200-£250. Mondeo insurance for the same is £330-£500 depending on engine size.
Merlot said:
BarnatosGhost said:
you'll pay "1st car" premium. Better, bigger, cheaper cars available.
Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
Not really, I can get a good example of either for £500 with plenty of T&T. If I was looking to spend £2k on the same size car than I'd agree with your statement!Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
A bigger car such as a Mondeo etc may be a small amount cheaper but will cost me more in insurance*, fuel etc.
I also want something as small as possible as parking on my street is at a massive premium!
- 106 insurance is £200-£250. Mondeo insurance for the same is £330-£500 depending on engine size.
BarnatosGhost said:
Merlot said:
BarnatosGhost said:
you'll pay "1st car" premium. Better, bigger, cheaper cars available.
Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
Not really, I can get a good example of either for £500 with plenty of T&T. If I was looking to spend £2k on the same size car than I'd agree with your statement!Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
A bigger car such as a Mondeo etc may be a small amount cheaper but will cost me more in insurance*, fuel etc.
I also want something as small as possible as parking on my street is at a massive premium!
- 106 insurance is £200-£250. Mondeo insurance for the same is £330-£500 depending on engine size.
I'd be happy with the petrol. More of them about than diesels so more choice, bit better performance, and the running cost difference between 55 and 65 mpg isn't enough to get hung up about. Best thing to do is buy the best example you can find, whether petrol or diesel makes no odds really. My old AX (same mechanicals, different body) just hit 150,000 miles this weekend on its original engine and gearbox, which suggests that these flimsy little French cars are tougher than they seem. Light weight and well-designed chassis makes them more fun to drive than most sub-£500 bangers as well.
Oh, and don't touch the 1.4 diesel with a bargepole. They have all the durability of cottage cheese. 1.5s are fine.
Oh, and don't touch the 1.4 diesel with a bargepole. They have all the durability of cottage cheese. 1.5s are fine.
Merlot said:
BarnatosGhost said:
Merlot said:
BarnatosGhost said:
you'll pay "1st car" premium. Better, bigger, cheaper cars available.
Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
Not really, I can get a good example of either for £500 with plenty of T&T. If I was looking to spend £2k on the same size car than I'd agree with your statement!Go for something you won't be competing against daft 6th formers to buy.
A bigger car such as a Mondeo etc may be a small amount cheaper but will cost me more in insurance*, fuel etc.
I also want something as small as possible as parking on my street is at a massive premium!
- 106 insurance is £200-£250. Mondeo insurance for the same is £330-£500 depending on engine size.
BarnatosGhost said:
... Right-o. Last attempt: what about a non-turbo golf diesel? Only a little bit longer, good economy and cheap insurance, but a miles nicer car.
What about an Octavia SDI? Same engine and basic chassis as 'your' Golf (I think), but mebbe cheaper? Not a fast car but probably ideally suited to your plans without being cramped like a 106.The suggestions are getting larger and larger here guys. How about a Sprinter van?
I'd go for the petrol, and I have experience of both. Obviously the diesel is more efficient, but the petrol is miles more fun to drive and you won't pay a diesel premium on it. I borrowed a friends 1.1 graduate for a few weeks years ago, and it was suprisingly good fun, agile, revvy and pointy. The diesel loses a lot of this magic with its non existent performance and heavy old boat anchor in the nose.
I'd go for the petrol, and I have experience of both. Obviously the diesel is more efficient, but the petrol is miles more fun to drive and you won't pay a diesel premium on it. I borrowed a friends 1.1 graduate for a few weeks years ago, and it was suprisingly good fun, agile, revvy and pointy. The diesel loses a lot of this magic with its non existent performance and heavy old boat anchor in the nose.
OP - PM me if you want a nice example of a 1.1.
'S' plate, silver, 110k, 3 door, new clutch, PAS, will have 12 months MOT by the end of the week. Only downside is currently SORN'd, but at £120 a year its no drama. Lovely little runner, been in the family since 2000.
If you're interested PM me and we'll talk money!
'S' plate, silver, 110k, 3 door, new clutch, PAS, will have 12 months MOT by the end of the week. Only downside is currently SORN'd, but at £120 a year its no drama. Lovely little runner, been in the family since 2000.
If you're interested PM me and we'll talk money!
wiliferus said:
OP - PM me if you want a nice example of a 1.1.
'S' plate, silver, 110k, 3 door, new clutch, PAS, will have 12 months MOT by the end of the week. Only downside is currently SORN'd, but at £120 a year its no drama. Lovely little runner, been in the family since 2000.
If you're interested PM me and we'll talk money!
PM'd.'S' plate, silver, 110k, 3 door, new clutch, PAS, will have 12 months MOT by the end of the week. Only downside is currently SORN'd, but at £120 a year its no drama. Lovely little runner, been in the family since 2000.
If you're interested PM me and we'll talk money!
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