easy start ...is it a myth that cars rely on it
easy start ...is it a myth that cars rely on it
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steveo3002

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11,205 posts

203 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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ive often heard it said that once you use easy start the car will need it all the time after then

cant see how it would need it ?

truth or old wives tale ?

Geordie boy

440 posts

243 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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Old wives tale!! I've never had any issues once I've used it to start a car.

busta

4,504 posts

262 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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I think the fuel for the myth is that if your car needs easy start, obviously there is a problem with it. While your using easy start and not fixing the problem, it's only going to get worse. So then when you don't use the easy start, starting is as bad or worse than you remembered and you think crikey, it's hopeless without easy stuff!

I used it lots on a Nissan Patrol 4.2 that had fuel issues and took an age to start with no adverse side affects on the engine. It didn't fix the fuel issues though!

Ritchie335is

2,130 posts

231 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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The theory is that if you use it alot it can thin the oil on the bores on startup and cause wear which in turn reduces compression.
I have also heard (although dont know if its true) of top rings breaking on diesels due to it burning faster/harder than diesel.

driverrob

4,847 posts

232 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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Last year my lawn mower was so hard to start I resorted to Easy Start. Used it every time for the rest of the year. This spring I forgot about it and the mower started first pull and has done ever since.
So, no, I don't think it worsens things or makes the engine reliant on it.

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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Andy10v

11 posts

192 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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I would have thought the story would have developed due to the fact that often when easy start is used to start a car the engine is getting pretty knackered and unlikely to get better

ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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Very true, kills bores and rings and I've had first hand experience of a tractor that had been dosed daily for nigh on 2 years. It was screwed, compression was so low that it had to have it to get going.

The odd squirt won't hurt but as had been said, it is a quick fix to get round an underlying problem.

busta

4,504 posts

262 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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Munter said:
Whilst I don't believe it does damage engines, pouring that much into an engine that expensive seems mad!

busta

4,504 posts

262 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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ridds said:
Very true, kills bores and rings and I've had first hand experience of a tractor that had been dosed daily for nigh on 2 years. It was screwed, compression was so low that it had to have it to get going.

The odd squirt won't hurt but as had been said, it is a quick fix to get round an underlying problem.
But was it not shagged bores and rings that made it hard to start in the first place? In which case, easy start actually helped the engine last longer before needing a rebuild!

We have a few tractors that start better with a whiff of it in the winter. None of them are bad enough to need it all year yet though.

Conian

8,030 posts

230 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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busta said:
Munter said:
Whilst I don't believe it does damage engines, pouring that much into an engine that expensive seems mad!
it's a biiiiiiig engine, it can take it smile

and munter dont post that link, when i watch one 917 video i then have to watch nearly all the 917 videos! smile

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

196 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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you could get either start buttons in the cabs of tractors, from the factory certainly up untill the late 1990's as part of a cold climate package in the US. I'm not sure if it is still needed with common rail diesels, the new ones all start very well.

Some say the bigger bang pushes the valves harder into their seat and it reduces compression. Maybe if you are usings tonnes of the stuff, but the machines I used with it on all started fine once the ambient temperatures got to the point where it was no longer possible to walk across the river.

busta

4,504 posts

262 months

Sunday 12th September 2010
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Willy Nilly said:
you could get either start buttons in the cabs of tractors, from the factory certainly up untill the late 1990's as part of a cold climate package in the US. I'm not sure if it is still needed with common rail diesels, the new ones all start very well.

Some say the bigger bang pushes the valves harder into their seat and it reduces compression. Maybe if you are usings tonnes of the stuff, but the machines I used with it on all started fine once the ambient temperatures got to the point where it was no longer possible to walk across the river.
Yes, JCB Fastracs had that in the UK too. I always used to get told off by dad for pressing the button thinking it would give more power.

Trommel

20,627 posts

288 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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It definitely doesn't do exhaust manifold gaskets much good. I wouldn't use it on anything that I cared about.

ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Monday 13th September 2010
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busta said:
ridds said:
Very true, kills bores and rings and I've had first hand experience of a tractor that had been dosed daily for nigh on 2 years. It was screwed, compression was so low that it had to have it to get going.

The odd squirt won't hurt but as had been said, it is a quick fix to get round an underlying problem.
But was it not shagged bores and rings that made it hard to start in the first place? In which case, easy start actually helped the engine last longer before needing a rebuild!

We have a few tractors that start better with a whiff of it in the winter. None of them are bad enough to need it all year yet though.
I think it was a knackered glow plug circuit which they couldn't be bothered to fix.