New(ish) Shell Petrol
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My dear old young mum (she is watching) has started using new GoGo Juice for the Jag. Its an S-Type 3.0 V6 Auto 2002/02.
Apparently Shell have put out a new type of 95ron which she is claiming is giving her about 100 miles more to the tank, (60 l).
Anyone else found this? Any other observations?
Apparently Shell have put out a new type of 95ron which she is claiming is giving her about 100 miles more to the tank, (60 l).
Anyone else found this? Any other observations?
Apparently range finder on car gave her 280-300 on the old Shell, now it gives her 360-380 and doesnt drop for 10-15 miles before it decides to change. Thats on a run from that massive Audi dealer on the M4 to about 30 mins south of Boulogne in France. A steady, (foot controlled, she doesnt like cruise control) 0.80 leptons.
I find it quite interesting that the trip computer even has any idea what sort of fuel it's been given, actually. That's a new one on me. But it's absolutely not to be relied on for giving a good range, I mean, my mum's Mondeo TDCi130 will give her a 650-mile range from full, which will drop 200 miles in the next fifty or so. Equally, the last fifty disappear in about ten. If it said a thousand miles to run when I filled it up, I wouldn't bat an eyelid 
But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
ETA:
I think he knew you meant that.. I think the car doing 100 miles to a tank is actually a little less ridiculous than this fuel giving 100 miles more per tank 
But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
ETA:
nsmith1180 said:
G_T said:
100 miles to a tank?
Your young mother wants to get her calculator out again.
100 MILES MORE TO THE TANK§Your young mother wants to get her calculator out again.
Edited by McSam on Friday 17th September 13:22
nsmith1180 said:
G_T said:
100 miles to a tank?
Your young mother wants to get her calculator out again.
100 MILES MORE TO THE TANK§Your young mother wants to get her calculator out again.
100 miles because of fuel change is incredibly unlikely. It's far more likely she's either worked it out wrong or she's changed her driving style.
McSam said:
I find it quite interesting that the trip computer even has any idea what sort of fuel it's been given, actually. That's a new one on me. But it's absolutely not to be relied on for giving a good range, I mean, my mum's Mondeo TDCi130 will give her a 650-mile range from full, which will drop 200 miles in the next fifty or so. Equally, the last fifty disappear in about ten. If it said a thousand miles to run when I filled it up, I wouldn't bat an eyelid
But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
Understand what you are saying, was exactly what I said when she first spoke of epic increases. But last run she checked it, was averaging 26mpg now over 30. With a noticeable drop in petrol station visits.But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
nsmith1180 said:
McSam said:
I find it quite interesting that the trip computer even has any idea what sort of fuel it's been given, actually. That's a new one on me. But it's absolutely not to be relied on for giving a good range, I mean, my mum's Mondeo TDCi130 will give her a 650-mile range from full, which will drop 200 miles in the next fifty or so. Equally, the last fifty disappear in about ten. If it said a thousand miles to run when I filled it up, I wouldn't bat an eyelid
But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
Understand what you are saying, was exactly what I said when she first spoke of epic increases. But last run she checked it, was averaging 26mpg now over 30. With a noticeable drop in petrol station visits.But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
I worked out that it's because I subconsciously drive like a granny and not a mentalist to prove my own point right, it's got nothing to do with the petrol change. It's all in my head.
What fuel was she using before?
I have consistently got around 50 miles less per tank from the local Sainsburys fuel, the car feels flat on it. The first time I thought it was a fluke, but the second time I filled up with it I had poor economy again. I always brim the tank slowly and push the back of the car down a couple of times, and the tank never burps, so I can be fairly sure it is filling to the same level each time. Town driving will give an average of 35mpg and 400 miles per tank, with the supermarket fuel it was running on fumes at 340 miles. More recently, a friend filled my car up at Sainsburys as I had helped him with something, a full tank of around 50 litres went in. On that tank, it gave 50 miles less than I would expect, and confirmed how much my car hates that fuel.
BP Ultimate Diesel however, always gave 3-7mpg more on a long run, every time, compared to standard BP Fuel. I had to double check my calculations a couple of times, but it is definitely more efficient. Shame it costs so much though.
So between the best and worst fuel for my car, there could be a 10mpg difference on some tank fulls.
I don't think the new Shell fuel would give 10mpg over their previous standard fuel in your mums car, but if it is 10mpg better than poor quality fuel, maybe from a supermarket, then I could just about understand this.
It would be good to hear show the economy is in the next few tank fulls.
Edit - I believe that fuel suppliers must now have a minimum "bio" content in their fuels, but that they can choose to put it all in one fuel or another, it doesn't have to be a percentage in every pump fuel they sell, just that the average bio content per total volume sold has to be a set amount. With petrol, ethanol is used by some as the bio content, and in Diesel there is biodiesel content. I might be wrong, but I think that ethanol hurts fuel consumption in petrols, but the Biodiesel in Diesel fuel has little effect. So if Shell were meeting their bio quota by putting Biodiesel in their Diesel, but not putting any ethanol in their unleaded, this could mean that their unleaded could give better economy than other unleaded fuels on the market.
I have consistently got around 50 miles less per tank from the local Sainsburys fuel, the car feels flat on it. The first time I thought it was a fluke, but the second time I filled up with it I had poor economy again. I always brim the tank slowly and push the back of the car down a couple of times, and the tank never burps, so I can be fairly sure it is filling to the same level each time. Town driving will give an average of 35mpg and 400 miles per tank, with the supermarket fuel it was running on fumes at 340 miles. More recently, a friend filled my car up at Sainsburys as I had helped him with something, a full tank of around 50 litres went in. On that tank, it gave 50 miles less than I would expect, and confirmed how much my car hates that fuel.
BP Ultimate Diesel however, always gave 3-7mpg more on a long run, every time, compared to standard BP Fuel. I had to double check my calculations a couple of times, but it is definitely more efficient. Shame it costs so much though.
So between the best and worst fuel for my car, there could be a 10mpg difference on some tank fulls.
I don't think the new Shell fuel would give 10mpg over their previous standard fuel in your mums car, but if it is 10mpg better than poor quality fuel, maybe from a supermarket, then I could just about understand this.
It would be good to hear show the economy is in the next few tank fulls.
Edit - I believe that fuel suppliers must now have a minimum "bio" content in their fuels, but that they can choose to put it all in one fuel or another, it doesn't have to be a percentage in every pump fuel they sell, just that the average bio content per total volume sold has to be a set amount. With petrol, ethanol is used by some as the bio content, and in Diesel there is biodiesel content. I might be wrong, but I think that ethanol hurts fuel consumption in petrols, but the Biodiesel in Diesel fuel has little effect. So if Shell were meeting their bio quota by putting Biodiesel in their Diesel, but not putting any ethanol in their unleaded, this could mean that their unleaded could give better economy than other unleaded fuels on the market.
Edited by Turkey on Friday 17th September 13:45
She has always used Shell normal. The Jag hates supermarket fuels and there is a shell garage just down the road from her work. She does live in care in the UK for three or four weeks at a time then comes back to france for a week.
I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
nsmith1180 said:
McSam said:
I find it quite interesting that the trip computer even has any idea what sort of fuel it's been given, actually. That's a new one on me. But it's absolutely not to be relied on for giving a good range, I mean, my mum's Mondeo TDCi130 will give her a 650-mile range from full, which will drop 200 miles in the next fifty or so. Equally, the last fifty disappear in about ten. If it said a thousand miles to run when I filled it up, I wouldn't bat an eyelid
But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
Understand what you are saying, was exactly what I said when she first spoke of epic increases. But last run she checked it, was averaging 26mpg now over 30. With a noticeable drop in petrol station visits.But since the trip thinks something's going on, it'd be interesting to get her to brim it with standard, work out her economy when brimming again with this voodoo stuff, then do it again.
4 x 13.2 = 52.8mpg
A noticeable increase admitted. But only if you run it dry. If you assume that you always leave 1-2 gallons left before you fill up, then it'd be 44.8 miles increased range.
nsmith1180 said:
She has always used Shell normal. The Jag hates supermarket fuels and there is a shell garage just down the road from her work. She does live in care in the UK for three or four weeks at a time then comes back to france for a week.
I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
What date did the "change" happen? I would bet a change of driving habits or she actually has some air in her tyres now I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
The Shell fuel saver fuel must have been in the pumps weeks before the marketing material went live.
jon- said:
nsmith1180 said:
She has always used Shell normal. The Jag hates supermarket fuels and there is a shell garage just down the road from her work. She does live in care in the UK for three or four weeks at a time then comes back to france for a week.
I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
What date did the "change" happen? I would bet a change of driving habits or she actually has some air in her tyres now I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
The Shell fuel saver fuel must have been in the pumps weeks before the marketing material went live.
jon- said:
nsmith1180 said:
She has always used Shell normal. The Jag hates supermarket fuels and there is a shell garage just down the road from her work. She does live in care in the UK for three or four weeks at a time then comes back to france for a week.
I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
What date did the "change" happen? I would bet a change of driving habits or she actually has some air in her tyres now I could understand seeing 20 or 30 miles more to the tank when subconciously driving more economically but nearly 100?
The Shell fuel saver fuel must have been in the pumps weeks before the marketing material went live.
If I use T99RON over the regular 95RON I get better mpg.
Also when I used to run a Pug 106 1.5d, it was notably more economical on Shell V-Power diesel compared to regular diesel.
s3fella said:
Tell your mum she is not getting 100 miles more on a 60 litre tank due to this new Shell petrol.
If she argues, tell her again.
If she argues more, just clam up.
If she says it again, spade the mad old bint over the fizzog and bury her still twitching corpse under the patio.
She says some mouthful of scottish crap. I have no idea what she actually said, but it sounded painful and was delivered with a maniacal grin.If she argues, tell her again.
If she argues more, just clam up.
If she says it again, spade the mad old bint over the fizzog and bury her still twitching corpse under the patio.
300bhp/ton said:
It's plausible and possible that they are seeing better mpg though.
If I use T99RON over the regular 95RON I get better mpg.
Also when I used to run a Pug 106 1.5d, it was notably more economical on Shell V-Power diesel compared to regular diesel.
I don't deny premium fuel gives better mileage, but the OP is claiming a 35% increase for exactly the same RON rating.If I use T99RON over the regular 95RON I get better mpg.
Also when I used to run a Pug 106 1.5d, it was notably more economical on Shell V-Power diesel compared to regular diesel.
There's no chance just fuel would change that much.
Funny this should come up. I usually fill up at my local Shell or Sainsburys and I'd been noticing I was getting a better range from the Shell fill ups (~20 miles on a 40 litre tank) without really looking for an improvement, this was long before all the marketing went out.
My car whines and replaces my digital speedo with a warning light when it drops to 60 miles range, on Sainsburys fuel this is always well under 300 miles, on Shell it's usually just over. Whatever they've done to their fuel does seem to help.
My car whines and replaces my digital speedo with a warning light when it drops to 60 miles range, on Sainsburys fuel this is always well under 300 miles, on Shell it's usually just over. Whatever they've done to their fuel does seem to help.
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