RE: Driven: Seat Leon Cupra R
RE: Driven: Seat Leon Cupra R
Wednesday 22nd September 2010

Driven: Seat Leon Cupra R

We take the fastest Seat ever for a quick spin



This is the new Seat Leon Cupra R, the company's new hot hatch flagship. It's the most powerful roadgoing Seat ever and also - just possibly - represents the coming of age of the Seat hot hatch.

Over the past couple of decades, Seat has slowly been building a reputation as a purveyor of surprisingly decent hot hatches. There was the first Ibiza GTi, with its strong VW Golf-sourced engines and terrier-like handling. The 180bhp Leon 20VT was a surprisingly rapid tool, too, while the first Leon Cupra R was a genuine cut-price alternative to an Audi S3 (albeit two-wheel drive).


But fast Seats have always been, broadly speaking, point-and-squirt machines; the entries for 'finesse' and 'sophistication' have not traditionally been well-thumbed pages in the dictionaries of Seat engineers. But has Seat finally found poise as well as pace?

The Cupra R certainly has the pace part licked. Its 2.0-litre turbocharged motor (which engine fans will recognise as near-identical to the motors that power the Golf R, Scirocco R and Audi S3) kicks out 261bhp and 258lb ft of torque (a useful lump more than the 237bhp, 221lb ft non-R Cupra manages), meaning that the fastest Seat can sprint to 62mph in just 6.2secs and has to be electronically restrained at 155mph.


Those headline figures don't tell much of the story, mind - this is a car with a relentless, linear shove, with the sort of in-gear poke to make overtaking streams of slower cars frankly a doddle.

As for poise, the Leon has always been a reasonable handler, thanks to a modern MacPherson front, multi-link rear suspension set up, but faster versions have traditionally suffered from rather uncouth manners. The Leon Cupra for instance - the previous range-topper - had a nasty habit of spinning up an inside front wheel out of tighter corners, or of skipping across the road under hard out-of-corner acceleration, almost a front-wheel-drive version of axle tramp.


Fortunately for Seat, there are no such problems with the Cupra R, (nor any longer with other fast or warm Leons) thanks to the introduction of XDS, an electronic control system that works with the car's ESP to mimic the effect of a mechanical limited-slip differential, without the tiresome (and no doubt expensive) task of having to engineer a whole new set of oily bits.

The XDS is quite effective, too. You can feel it tugging at inside wheels out of tight corners and, although it's not as instant as a mechanical LSD would be, and does interrupt the flow of your driving slightly, there's no doubt that it works, and turns the Cupra R into a genuinely accomplished performer, and possibly the best-handling Seat yet.


The 19-inch wheels also manage to look good (although the ride is a little nuggety), while the Cupra R's claimed 34.9mpg combined fuel economy figure is identical to the slower Cupra's.

Inside you get plenty of kit as standard, including supportive and comfy leather bucket seats (although the gloss-finish plastic backs are not particularly pleasant) and a proper manual gearbox (praise be!), but the general feel of the interior is a bit dark, dated and generally low rent for a £25k car.

Still, that £25,205 price tag makes it precisely £3,100 cheaper than a Scirocco R. That could pay for a lot of track days...

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BelperJim

Original Poster:

2,505 posts

209 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Looks good to me.

I heard a rumor that Seats tend to come out of the factory with more power than the fact sheet says. Any truth in this?

y2blade

56,294 posts

241 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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I'm a bit of a fan of these latest shape Leons cool


jake15919

738 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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I just don't understand Seat.

If you like the mechanicals etc save yourself a few grand and buy a second hand VW/Audi. It will look better and it will have a better resale value. Alternatively save up for a few more months and get a new one.


StottyZr

6,860 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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BelperJim said:
Looks good to me.

I heard a rumor that Seats tend to come out of the factory with more power than the fact sheet says. Any truth in this?
Definatly in the diesels not too sure about the petrols. Although my friend has an older Cupra R, with a new downpiper and remap it pulled 297hp on the RR. I can't see a car going from 225hp to just under 300 with these modifications it was most likely pulled more around 240hp standard.

sc4589

1,960 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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jake15919 said:
I just don't understand Seat.

If you like the mechanicals etc save yourself a few grand and buy a second hand VW/Audi. It will look better and it will have a better resale value. Alternatively save up for a few more months and get a new one.
I think their shapes and design have a lot more pizzaz.

For example, I'd way prefer a Mk1 Seat Leon Cupra R to a Mk4 Golf GTi 1.8T...

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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As a current Leon Cupra owner, I just can't warm to the 'R'. £4K more than a standard Cupra for what? Some shiny bits of plastic and an extra 25bhp. If it had a proper LSD, things might be different, but tweaking the ESP to mimic a LSD really isn't the same.

A software upgrade will give a Cupra a 50-60bhp boost for £500, and i'll happily live without the extras. I do like the leather seats though.

AbarthChris

2,259 posts

241 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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jake15919 said:
I just don't understand Seat.

If you like the mechanicals etc save yourself a few grand and buy a second hand VW/Audi. It will look better and it will have a better resale value. Alternatively save up for a few more months and get a new one.
Not everyone wants the bland as f**k golf or the ubiquitous A3. Cheaper and better looking without the associated connotations that the above marques bring? Sounds alright to me.

Also, SEAT have always marketed themselves as the 'sporty' version of the gold or A3, so different suspension setups etc.

ZOLLAR

19,920 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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y2blade said:
I'm a bit of a fan of these latest shape Leons cool
Thank you i have been working out hehe

nsmith1180

3,941 posts

204 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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I like the Leon, but isn't the shape getting on a bit now? Doesn't fit with the family. IMO they should have waited for the new model to bring out this. Let the old model die in (relative) obscurity and relaunch a whole new Leon with these electromechanical bits on the flagship to say the new way has arrived.

Fire99

9,865 posts

255 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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AbarthChris said:
jake15919 said:
I just don't understand Seat.

If you like the mechanicals etc save yourself a few grand and buy a second hand VW/Audi. It will look better and it will have a better resale value. Alternatively save up for a few more months and get a new one.
Not everyone wants the bland as f**k golf or the ubiquitous A3. Cheaper and better looking without the associated connotations that the above marques bring? Sounds alright to me.

Also, SEAT have always marketed themselves as the 'sporty' version of the gold or A3, so different suspension setups etc.
I'd go along with that. If you want a new car, you want a new car. It's pointless comparing with a 2nd hand alternative.

Looks quite an impressive package for a competitive price.

Marf

22,907 posts

267 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Yay! Another powerful FWD hatch with no real LSD.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

244 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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I hate white alloys, they are worse than white stilletos.

The seats look great, but already look like they have done 15,000mls, they look saggy / wrinkled?

The other thought i had was is £3k less than the VW melted golf coupe enough of a different?

Stevesh

87 posts

238 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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I wish VAG would let Skoda use this engine in the Octavia.

An Octavia vRS Estate with 260bhp in white with gloss black alloys for £22k would be nice biggrin

Steve

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Oddball RS said:
The other thought i had was is £3k less than the VW melted golf coupe enough of a different?
Or to put it another way, what makes the Scirocco £3K better than the Leon? £3K for less doors, less space and less equipment seems like a bit of a rip off to me.

joe_90

4,206 posts

257 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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IMHO needs to be a tad lower, and slightly lower side skirts..

Dr Imran T

2,301 posts

225 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Stevesh said:
I wish VAG would let Skoda use this engine in the Octavia.

An Octavia vRS Estate with 260bhp in white with gloss black alloys for £22k would be nice biggrin

Steve
Ah, the practical thinking man's choice. You must have a few kids and a dog to lug around wink

Morba

621 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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That looks boring as hell from the outside.

Stevesh

87 posts

238 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Dr Imran T said:
Stevesh said:
I wish VAG would let Skoda use this engine in the Octavia.

An Octavia vRS Estate with 260bhp in white with gloss black alloys for £22k would be nice biggrin

Steve
Ah, the practical thinking man's choice. You must have a few kids and a dog to lug around wink
Just the kids and all the accoutrements that that entails!

The Octavia is just the right size too - bigger than a Golf/Focus etc. but not as lardy as a Passat/Mondeo.

Steve

maniac0796

1,292 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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Morba said:
That looks boring as hell from the outside.
Not as boring as a golf or A3 though wink

Torquey

1,953 posts

254 months

Wednesday 22nd September 2010
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IMO Seat are the best looking of the VAG bunch. Not that that is much of a compliment.

Edited by Torquey on Wednesday 22 September 12:25