V8 Ozzie racing

[Welshbeef]

Quick question here for the holdens are they using the LS2 unit a la VXR8 plus major upgrades?

One of my favourite racing series close big field lovely noise.

They spin then up proper 4 door sedans with what 600hp and 8000rpm mmm lovely

[lance1a]

I remember doing some research into these...came up with this....

5 Litre Chev pushrod engine Rebuild required every 2000 to 2500 km $65,000.00 -plus Clutch new
$25,000.00 per rebuild
Chev Block 12,000 to 15,000 km $5600.00
Crankshaft - US made 12,000 to 15,000 km $3,000.00
6 Speed Australian Hollinger Gearbox Servicing every 1000 km Gearset $4500.00
Triple Plate Carbon Clutch Every Meeting $7,900.00
Tailshaft -Australian built Service every 1200 km $5,000.00
9 inch Diff - Ford based Service and crack test
on a regular basis $550.00 approx.replacement value
Axles - Harrop 3000 km $750.00 each
Brake Pads Every Meeting $850.00 per wheel
Brake Rotors Test on regular basis $700.00
Heavy Duty Radiator -US or Australian built Service and check on a regular basis $550.00 to $1900.00
Chev Alloy Heads Replace at 12,000 km $11,000.00 per pair
Pistons Replace every 5,000 lm $1800.00 per set
Camshafts Replace every 2500 km $1,500,00 to $2,000.00
Fuel Cell, pumps filters, fittings etc Service and Test on regular basis $5,000.00 new
Motec Drivers Instruments Test on regular basis $4,200.00
Mag Wheels Crack test on regular basis $1500,00 each
Heated Front Windscreen Replaced 3 times a season $400.00 each screen
Bridgestone tyres Replace when worn out $450.00 each
Complete Race Commodore
SupercarV8 Replace when worn-out, superceded or crashed $270,000.00 to $320,000.00

[drakart]

"some research"

[Welshbeef]

You certainly know your stuff.

How do those prices compare to other race series ie is it on a par to gt2 and are they up to the same speed or quicker?

Also any idea if it's the LS1/2/3 engine that is the basic unit or are they bespoke engines which I cannot believe they are as the basic engines are superb starting points.


Note Bathurst 1000km coming in oct 2010. Skeiffe might be back again to co drive with lawnds.

Watched the pacific island 500km great racing skeiffe showing the field he's still got it

[marcosgt]

I am afraid, despite being a big motor sport fan for decades, that the Aussie V8 Touring car championship always leaves me very disappointed.

I'm not entirely sure why, but maybe it's the fact that (much like the DTM) the paucity of variety in the field (only two models in both series) means that rather than getting close exciting racing, most of the time you get close dull processions.

Or maybe there's something I don't like about big saloons (I could never get into NASCAR either).

Bathurst does remain a wonderful exception, but somehow it still seems a shadow of its former self when Cosworths, M3s and Skylines raced there.

M.

[lance1a]

Welshbeef said:

You certainly know your stuff.

How do those prices compare to other race series ie is it on a par to gt2 and are they up to the same speed or quicker?

Also any idea if it's the LS1/2/3 engine that is the basic unit or are they bespoke engines which I cannot believe they are as the basic engines are superb starting points.


Note Bathurst 1000km coming in oct 2010. Skeiffe might be back again to co drive with lawnds.

Watched the pacific island 500km great racing skeiffe showing the field he's still got it

Not sure about pricing on other race series, but the motors start as either Ford 'boss 302' or Chevy small block 5.0L units.
The Commodore was actually too large (in comparison to the falcon) and an entirely new Holden bodyshell was created just for the race series in order to keep the wheelbase/track the same between both models. The Holden has a chopped roofline and a chopped rear door IIRC, to make it elegible.

[GravelBen]

lance1a said:

Not sure about pricing on other race series, but the motors start as either Ford 'boss 302' or Chevy small block 5.0L units.
The Commodore was actually too large (in comparison to the falcon) and an entirely new Holden bodyshell was created just for the race series in order to keep the wheelbase/track the same between both models. The Holden has a chopped roofline and a chopped rear door IIRC, to make it elegible.

They're based on the old-school V8s which were still in use when the series started despite the engine in the road cars being a couple of generations ahead now.

Not sure where you get the rest of your info from though, in production form the Falcon has been a bit bigger than the Commodore for as long as I can remember. (4916/1864/1444 vs 4894/1899/1476 for current models so the current Falcon is longer while the Commodore is wider and taller) and IIRC the 'parity' changes have been down to aero more than anything.

[GravelBen]

marcosgt said:

I'm not entirely sure why, but maybe it's the fact that (much like the DTM) the paucity of variety in the field (only two models in both series) means that rather than getting close exciting racing, most of the time you get close dull processions.

I'd have to disagree - IMO its provided some of the closest, most interesting racing I've seen in recent years. Seen some boring processions in F1 and WTCC though.

[marcosgt]

GravelBen said:

marcosgt said:

I'm not entirely sure why, but maybe it's the fact that (much like the DTM) the paucity of variety in the field (only two models in both series) means that rather than getting close exciting racing, most of the time you get close dull processions.

I'd have to disagree - IMO its provided some of the closest, most interesting racing I've seen in recent years. Seen some boring processions in F1 and WTCC though.

I guess we've seen different events then.

M.

[GravelBen]

marcosgt said:

I guess we've seen different events then.

I've seen a pretty high proportion of them, every event is on tv here. Personal opinion and all that though.

[marcosgt]

GravelBen said:

marcosgt said:

I guess we've seen different events then.

I've seen a pretty high proportion of them, every event is on tv here. Personal opinion and all that though.

Yeah, they're all covered in full here too, but after a couple of seasons forcing myself to watch them I gave up.

I saw lots of cars following closely behind each other (and the odd tap into a spin), but there wasn't much passing beyond the aforementioned taps.

Perhaps it's better this year, but people told me that about the DTM too

M.

[marksx]

marcosgt said:

GravelBen said:

marcosgt said:

I guess we've seen different events then.

I've seen a pretty high proportion of them, every event is on tv here. Personal opinion and all that though.

Yeah, they're all covered in full here too, but after a couple of seasons forcing myself to watch them I gave up.

I saw lots of cars following closely behind each other (and the odd tap into a spin), but there wasn't much passing beyond the aforementioned taps.

Perhaps it's better this year, but people told me that about the DTM too

M.

Can I ask where they are covered over here?

Presumably motors TV or something I don't have!

I have been watching races on Youtube so far.

[Shropshiremike]

marksx said:

marcosgt said:

GravelBen said:

marcosgt said:

I guess we've seen different events then.

I've seen a pretty high proportion of them, every event is on tv here. Personal opinion and all that though.

Yeah, they're all covered in full here too, but after a couple of seasons forcing myself to watch them I gave up.

I saw lots of cars following closely behind each other (and the odd tap into a spin), but there wasn't much passing beyond the aforementioned taps.

Perhaps it's better this year, but people told me that about the DTM too

M.

Can I ask where they are covered over here?

Presumably motors TV or something I don't have!

I have been watching races on Youtube so far.

Channel 5 used to show 'V8 Supercars' at about 3 or 4 am in the morning

[lance1a]

Events like the Bathurst can be fun to watch, I like them just for the relaitve simplicity of the machiney. And the sound.

[lance1a]

GravelBen said:

lance1a said:

Not sure about pricing on other race series, but the motors start as either Ford 'boss 302' or Chevy small block 5.0L units.
The Commodore was actually too large (in comparison to the falcon) and an entirely new Holden bodyshell was created just for the race series in order to keep the wheelbase/track the same between both models. The Holden has a chopped roofline and a chopped rear door IIRC, to make it elegible.

They're based on the old-school V8s which were still in use when the series started despite the engine in the road cars being a couple of generations ahead now.

Not sure where you get the rest of your info from though, in production form the Falcon has been a bit bigger than the Commodore for as long as I can remember. (4916/1864/1444 vs 4894/1899/1476 for current models so the current Falcon is longer while the Commodore is wider and taller) and IIRC the 'parity' changes have been down to aero more than anything.

You are quite right....though wiki seems confused too mentioning that both cars have a longer wheelbase.

this from Wiki....
The VE Commodore was initially rejected from taking part in the series due to its wheelbase being longer and wider than the BF Falcon. For the model to be homologated, V8 Supercar granted the Commodore a custom fabricated bodyshell into which a limited number of production bodyshell panels are incorporated. As a result, the roofline is lower than production and the rear door is shorter such that externally the rear doors, roof and rear quarters all consist of specialised custom coachwork panels.

Similarly, the longer wheelbase of the FG Falcon (over the BF) requires a comparable custom-fabricated shorter body, and the FG is also shorted in the rear door and lowered in the roof line compared to the road going model.

[tuborgman]

seen them race as a warm up to melborne gp in 08, lovely smell and noise off them

[Colonial]

Great racing. Don't see how it could be considered a procession.

And it's Skaife