Britain today....
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Z28fan

Original Poster:

148 posts

199 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Are the police useless, just don't care or have their hands tied?

http://www.mocgb.net/forums/showthread.php?37871-C...


you could imagine that if you'd call the copper a useless donut eating he'd have found the wherewithall to charge you for something

Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

211 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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"Nice car Mister."

"Get your fking hands off my car you chav s! I swear, step the fk away before I feed you your dicks."

Always two sides to every story, most outrageous stories posted on fanboy forums can be taken with a pinch of salt.

Edited by Papa Hotel on Thursday 30th September 12:47

MX7

7,902 posts

203 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Why would "they would only get a slap on the wrist"? Criminal damage, ABH/GBH.

The problem is that if the police do nothing, the will do exactly the same next weekend. I hope the commissioner takes it a bit more seriously.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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There can be polite ways of getting people not to fiddle with your car, I guess he didn't know them.

Four Litre

2,174 posts

221 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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"He left Chelsea bridge at around 10.30pm and on the way home stopped at a kebab shop on Mitcham Common, surrey".

You never, repeat NEVER stop at a kebab shop in mitcham - he was lucky to live to tell the tale....

LuS1fer

43,503 posts

274 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Criminal cases have to be proved against each and every individual, you can't tar every person present with the same brush. Police can only follow a lead as to the identity of the youths and it is almost impossible to identify people in this sort of scenario without CCTV. Sadly, even when there is CCTV, 9 times out of 10 it's a naff cheapo system which is as much use as a Cadillac Eldorado on a track day.

There is always an assumption that the Police can "do something" when it is clear they would be wasting their time chasing wild geese.

Whether a slap on the wrist follows depends on the age and antecedents of the persons involved.

ShadownINja

80,022 posts

311 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Four Litre said:
"He left Chelsea bridge at around 10.30pm and on the way home stopped at a kebab shop on Mitcham Common, surrey".

You never, repeat NEVER stop at a kebab shop in mitcham - he was lucky to live to tell the tale....
Well, it's not that bad but I wouldn't stop in Mitcham either. And I'd have been amiable with the guys but tried to get away asap.

Dr Derek Doctors

8,422 posts

222 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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LuS1fer said:
Criminal cases have to be proved against each and every individual, you can't tar every person present with the same brush. Police can only follow a lead as to the identity of the youths and it is almost impossible to identify people in this sort of scenario without CCTV. Sadly, even when there is CCTV, 9 times out of 10 it's a naff cheapo system which is as much use as a Cadillac Eldorado on a track day.

There is always an assumption that the Police can "do something" when it is clear they would be wasting their time chasing wild geese.

Whether a slap on the wrist follows depends on the age and antecedents of the persons involved.
So they shouldn't bother at all?

How the fk can you be so stupid as to refer to that as 'wild geese'? A man was assulted in a public place and his car vandalised? I hope you're not a policeman as you are clearly mental or really really lazy.

Brilliant! Assault and criminal damage have been legalised.

LuS1fer

43,503 posts

274 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Dr Derek Doctors said:
LuS1fer said:
Criminal cases have to be proved against each and every individual, you can't tar every person present with the same brush. Police can only follow a lead as to the identity of the youths and it is almost impossible to identify people in this sort of scenario without CCTV. Sadly, even when there is CCTV, 9 times out of 10 it's a naff cheapo system which is as much use as a Cadillac Eldorado on a track day.

There is always an assumption that the Police can "do something" when it is clear they would be wasting their time chasing wild geese.

Whether a slap on the wrist follows depends on the age and antecedents of the persons involved.
So they shouldn't bother at all?

How the fk can you be so stupid as to refer to that as 'wild geese'? A man was assulted in a public place and his car vandalised? I hope you're not a policeman as you are clearly mental or really really lazy.

Brilliant! Assault and criminal damage have been legalised.
I think you're missing the point. I'm not saying they shouldn't habve done something, I'm making the point that often there is no lead to follow. Still, you'd be nice on a jury. wink

CampDavid

9,145 posts

227 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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A friend of mine (female) was groped running through a park. The two police officers who turned up were aparently more interested in the fact her boyfriend had three games consoles and a "posh" laptop. Said it wasn't worth pursuing etc, etc.

A month later she had a call back saying that she had to make a statement as it was a sexual assault case.

She made a statement.

Another couple of months follow and they think they have the guy hos been doing it. She goes and has a look at some photos of suspects, however this is now 3 months down the line, she's not 100% sure. Picks the person she thinks it is out.

Case then dropped due to lack of evidence.

Can't help but feel if the two morons who turned up originally actually had some mental capability and actually focused on their job instead of Forza they'd have actually solved this one.

RicksAlfas

14,517 posts

273 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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What if Derek had been a crazy ninja, had flattened these two thugs and wheelspun away from the scene?
Do you reckon the police would have done anything then?

0191mark

6,087 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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LuS1fer said:
Criminal cases have to be proved against each and every individual, you can't tar every person present with the same brush. Police can only follow a lead as to the identity of the youths and it is almost impossible to identify people in this sort of scenario without CCTV. Sadly, even when there is CCTV, 9 times out of 10 it's a naff cheapo system which is as much use as a Cadillac Eldorado on a track day.

There is always an assumption that the Police can "do something" when it is clear they would be wasting their time chasing wild geese.

Whether a slap on the wrist follows depends on the age and antecedents of the persons involved.
As I read on the linked forums, the 'officers' 'involved' saw the two as they (the 'officers') came from a previous incident around the corner. How much clearer could it have been? Almost impossible to identify without CCTV? Can I ask, how did you get on before CCTV was commonplace? (If you're not an officer ignore that last question, but the sentiment behind it remains).


Edited by 0191mark on Thursday 30th September 13:45

0191mark

6,087 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Papa Hotel said:
"Nice car Mister."

"Get your fking hands off my car you chav s! I swear, step the fk away before I feed you your dicks."

Always two sides to every story, most outrageous stories posted on fanboy forums can be taken with a pinch of salt.

Edited by Papa Hotel on Thursday 30th September 12:47
So if he did use that language he deserved it (to be punched and kicked to the ground, his property damaged to the tune of £9,000 - for using a few swearwords?)

Did the attackers think they were going to be assaulted because they were sworn at? No, I doubt it too.

BriC175

961 posts

209 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Papa Hotel said:
"Nice car Mister."

"Get your fking hands off my car you chav s! I swear, step the fk away before I feed you your dicks."

Always two sides to every story, most outrageous stories posted on fanboy forums can be taken with a pinch of salt.

Edited by Papa Hotel on Thursday 30th September 12:47
As if! Don't be so naive. And like the poster above says - even if this was the case, it would not deserve him being assaulted and his car vandalised.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

217 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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0191mark said:
Papa Hotel said:
"Nice car Mister."

"Get your fking hands off my car you chav s! I swear, step the fk away before I feed you your dicks."

Always two sides to every story, most outrageous stories posted on fanboy forums can be taken with a pinch of salt.

Edited by Papa Hotel on Thursday 30th September 12:47
So if he did use that language he deserved it (to be punched and kicked to the ground, his property damaged to the tune of £9,000 - for using a few swearwords?).
No, but there is a certain amount of common sense people should exercise when putting the proles in their place.
Primarily make sure you can back it up, they sure as hell aren't going to like being reprimanded by some guy, rightly or wrongly.
And before someone says "so he should have let them carry on and walk all over him", yes, that's exactly what i mean in a situation like that.

It's most likely his car wouldn't have had any damage done to it beforehand, and he wouldn't have been kicked up and down the highstreet.


Papa Hotel

12,760 posts

211 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Of course mouthing off at chavs wouldn't justify them giving him a kicking...

But what is this story? It's a frigging post on an Internet forum, nothing more. We are debating the rights and wrongs of something that could be a complete fabrication.

Brighton Speed

364 posts

223 months

Thursday 30th September 2010
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Guy in a house across the road from me had battery acid/brake fluid poured on his car a few weeks ago and the Old Bill said there was nothing they could do.

Unfortunately it seems crime is nothing to do with breaking the law these days but all about resources. Still, £9k and a a beating seems like a high price to pay for a kebab - poor guy.