Vehicle registration dates
Discussion
yammyfan said:
175gt said:
Seems like a fairly difficult question to me - I have no idea what you mean
Im guessing he means, if you pull a car out of the bottom of a lake or a rusted classic and you want to restore it, what needs to be left of the original car to keep its reg/age and authenticityI'm particularly interested in the cat\non cat requirement between 92 and 93 if that makes a difference.
pinchmeimdreamin said:
DieselGriff said:
Fairly simple question really, I'm hoping the answer will be equally simple.
If you have a car of a certain age, what has to remain of the car for it to keep it's age?
I guess you are planning to alter the car quite radically somehow?If you have a car of a certain age, what has to remain of the car for it to keep it's age?
That could mean the same thing, or I could just mean putting different seats in IYSWIM
Cost Captain said:
Chassis
The identity of a car is defined by its chassis, hence the appeal of 'cut and shut' jobs, where by all the identifying marks on the chassis can be kept.
Yeah, I sort of thought this might be the case, but what happens (as a TVR owner this could happen) when your chassis needs replacing? Is it okay as long as you can show your chassis number? The identity of a car is defined by its chassis, hence the appeal of 'cut and shut' jobs, where by all the identifying marks on the chassis can be kept.
Cheers
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...
"Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:
* cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.
If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used a car must pass an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) and light goods vans must have a enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a ""Q"" prefix registration number will be allocated.
* motorcycles must use:
Unmodified frame (original or new) and two other major components from the original vehicle; forks, wheels and engine or gear box.
If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."
"Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:
* cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.
If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used a car must pass an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) and light goods vans must have a enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a ""Q"" prefix registration number will be allocated.
* motorcycles must use:
Unmodified frame (original or new) and two other major components from the original vehicle; forks, wheels and engine or gear box.
If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."
Hugo a Gogo said:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...
"Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:
* cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.
If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used a car must pass an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) and light goods vans must have a enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a ""Q"" prefix registration number will be allocated.
* motorcycles must use:
Unmodified frame (original or new) and two other major components from the original vehicle; forks, wheels and engine or gear box.
If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."
Bingo! on the majority of cars if a new chassis is required the car would be a write off, or you would reshell the car and use the registration off the donor vehicle!"Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:
* cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).
And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.
If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used a car must pass an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) and light goods vans must have a enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a ""Q"" prefix registration number will be allocated.
* motorcycles must use:
Unmodified frame (original or new) and two other major components from the original vehicle; forks, wheels and engine or gear box.
If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."
At risk of being shot for immoral behaviour, it is no more than a matter of what goes on behind closed doors. If you have the paperwork and VIN plate and a vehicle that fits the identity of both, who is to say it is not what you claim it to be?
With regard to cats there is no requirement in law that a vehicle has to have them fitted just because they were fitted originally. All that is required is that if they are fitted they must meet their legal requirement both for MOT and construction and use etc. It is not against the law to remove them also.
Lady
With regard to cats there is no requirement in law that a vehicle has to have them fitted just because they were fitted originally. All that is required is that if they are fitted they must meet their legal requirement both for MOT and construction and use etc. It is not against the law to remove them also.
Lady
ladygooddriver said:
At risk of being shot for immoral behaviour, it is no more than a matter of what goes on behind closed doors. If you have the paperwork and VIN plate and a vehicle that fits the identity of both, who is to say it is not what you claim it to be?
With regard to cats there is no requirement in law that a vehicle has to have them fitted just because they were fitted originally. All that is required is that if they are fitted they must meet their legal requirement both for MOT and construction and use etc. It is not against the law to remove them also.
Lady
well, no. If you get pulled over in a car that is subject to the 93 and onwards emissions laws, you can have emissions tested with a gas analyser, and if the emissions are too high, you're in trouble.With regard to cats there is no requirement in law that a vehicle has to have them fitted just because they were fitted originally. All that is required is that if they are fitted they must meet their legal requirement both for MOT and construction and use etc. It is not against the law to remove them also.
Lady
Just because its unlikely to be checked outside of an MOT test doesn't mean you only need it for an MOT test
Thanks for the responses, I'm certainly not going to argue with any of them but I'm intrigued by the question of chassis.
It seems a bit like granddad's spade (where the head and handle were replaced several times) it's still granddad's original spade.
It appears that if I had a 02 Griff' and had to replace the chassis then the car would become a 2010 car and have to meet other current legislation, or have I read it wrong?
ETA: Sorry I was being lazy - Body shell or Chassis, and I assume that if you replace one with a certificate and then an another, with certificate, then all is okay?
It seems a bit like granddad's spade (where the head and handle were replaced several times) it's still granddad's original spade.
It appears that if I had a 02 Griff' and had to replace the chassis then the car would become a 2010 car and have to meet other current legislation, or have I read it wrong?
ETA: Sorry I was being lazy - Body shell or Chassis, and I assume that if you replace one with a certificate and then an another, with certificate, then all is okay?
Edited by DieselGriff on Saturday 9th October 21:41
DieselGriff said:
It seems a bit like granddad's spade (where the head and handle were replaced several times) it's still granddad's original spade.
Maybe, but don't forget that all-important VIN.Lots of valuable old racing cars have been crashed over the years only to re-emrge after rebuild as two "genuine" versions of the same car. Something like on with the chassis and one with the engine...
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