Impossible car combinations
Impossible car combinations
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Stu - B

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502 posts

205 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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In light of the Austin Rover thread, remembered going to see Montego and Maestro manufacture c1984 and there was a compound full of impossible cars. For example Montego Turbo Maestro Vans, Maestro Estates etc, etc. Apparently once the build was in production it was made.

So question. Were all these cars crushed and did most manufacturers suffer from this problem?

Stu - B

Original Poster:

502 posts

205 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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Also (tragically) remember being impressed with the paint process!

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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I expect this is limited to companies that had...regressive work practices. Certainly any car company now would expect the line to be stopped if something out of the ordinary happened.

DanGPR

991 posts

200 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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I'm struggling to see how this could happen/ the problem with it happening? Genuinely curious , what do you mean impossible combinations? Like options/ trim/ engine?

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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Basically something stupid like an Maestro van chassis goes down the line, and someone bungs the running gear for a MG Maestro turbo into it. Or one example that did happen, a Marina gets a drum at the front on one side, and disk at the front on the other.


Gizmo!

18,150 posts

238 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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Montego and Maestro were originally the same car, the development just diverged. So I assume a Tego Turbo front would fit on a Maestro van without any trouble...

Stu - B

Original Poster:

502 posts

205 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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Gizmo! said:
Montego and Maestro were originally the same car, the development just diverged. So I assume a Tego Turbo front would fit on a Maestro van without any trouble...
Basically, that is it. Vanden Plas interiors in 1.3 base cars etc. Essentially it seemed more economic to build an impossible car and solve post-production than stop and solve pre-production.

DanGPR

991 posts

200 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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Not allowed to be sold like that then? Even if they got for example, the priceof the base 1.3 for one with an accidentally high spec interior?

And as for a turbo van, that would have been awesome!

roscozs

477 posts

210 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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Im sure my grandad ordered a new 2.5 Opel Senator but it came with a 3.0 yet still had 2.5 badges.

parapaul

2,828 posts

227 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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roscozs said:
Im sure my grandad ordered a new 2.5 Opel Senator but it came with a 3.0 yet still had 2.5 badges.
Bit like a BMW 325 then?

roscozs

477 posts

210 months

Sunday 10th October 2010
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parapaul said:
roscozs said:
Im sure my grandad ordered a new 2.5 Opel Senator but it came with a 3.0 yet still had 2.5 badges.
Bit like a BMW 325 then?
I have no idea are the 2.5 and the 3.0 the same engine? Dont know much about them.

Edited by roscozs on Sunday 10th October 23:52

Dr Derek Doctors

8,422 posts

222 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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yeah I once saw this BMW where they had stuck an X5s running gear under a 3 series coupe shell and created this hideous 4x4 coupe thing....

and another BMW where they put the back end of a 1 series onto the front of a 5 series to create this god-awful massive hatch-back thing.....

and another BMW where they stuck a crash damaged 1 series shell onto the running gear of an X3 to make this truly horrific small 4x4 thing.....

and another BMW where they stuck a barn door onto the back of a Mini and then stuck it onto the running gear an X3 to create truly the worst car ever inflicted on the world.....

Funnily enough none of them were crushed.... they were all at a BMW dealership.

carmadgaz

3,204 posts

212 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Dr Derek Doctors said:
yeah I once saw this BMW where they had stuck an X5s running gear under a 3 series coupe shell and created this hideous 4x4 coupe thing....

and another BMW where they put the back end of a 1 series onto the front of a 5 series to create this god-awful massive hatch-back thing.....

and another BMW where they stuck a crash damaged 1 series shell onto the running gear of an X3 to make this truly horrific small 4x4 thing.....

and another BMW where they stuck a barn door onto the back of a Mini and then stuck it onto the running gear an X3 to create truly the worst car ever inflicted on the world.....

Funnily enough none of them were crushed.... they were all at a BMW dealership.
biglaugh

LuS1fer

43,491 posts

274 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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A lot of manufacturers send perfectly decent cars down the production line and then accidentally stick a taxi engine in them. They seem to sell those though.

clonmult

10,529 posts

238 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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roscozs said:
parapaul said:
roscozs said:
Im sure my grandad ordered a new 2.5 Opel Senator but it came with a 3.0 yet still had 2.5 badges.
Bit like a BMW 325 then?
I have no idea are the 2.5 and the 3.0 the same engine? Dont know much about them.

Edited by roscozs on Sunday 10th October 23:52
Thats just a case of them changing the badges. He maybe didn't want it known he was driving around in a V6.

Colleague of my dad had a slightly different problem - he'd ordered a 1.8 injection Carlton. Then at a service they talked about problems with the carbs. Apparently they'd got the order wrong ....

angusc43

13,603 posts

237 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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LuS1fer said:
A lot of manufacturers send perfectly decent cars down the production line and then accidentally stick a taxi engine in them. They seem to sell those though.
LOL :-)

ClaphamGT3

12,232 posts

272 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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I once saw a Skoda that was an Octavia up to the scuttle, an Alfa Montreal from A-pillar to B-pillar and a Renault Kangoo from the B-pillar back.

Major Fallout

5,278 posts

260 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Dr Derek Doctors said:
and another BMW where they stuck a barn door onto the back of a Mini and then stuck it onto the running gear an X3 to create truly the worst car ever inflicted on the world.....
Unless you're Prodrive.

RenesisEvo

3,826 posts

248 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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I know of several cases where this has occured - for example, the wrong colour bodyshell is loaded, so the car is the right spec, but wrong colour. This was only a couple of years ago at a well-known car factory that I worked at. I have a more amusing example but that would be name-and-shame. Computer systems control the majority of the process so it's only when things go really wrong, or human input is required, that it can happen.

I believe the 'impossible cars' either get used as factory site cars (never registered), or held until a customer orders that spec if its still 'possible' (i.e. wrong stereo, as opposed to wrong engine, or something like that), or more often, just scrapped.

It was very difficult, but possible to have the 'wrong' dampers, anti-roll bars, brake modulators, the list goes on... however the many processes, checks and systems meant it was near-impossible for the car to be shipped without it being picked up and put right.

Edited by RenesisEvo on Monday 11th October 13:29

vit4

3,507 posts

199 months

Monday 11th October 2010
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Quite often, new cars that I want would come under this 'impossible' tag. Focus ST estate for starters smile