FULL FAT RANGE ROVERS
Discussion
jackal said:
2002 onwards FF RR's - what do i need to know ?
Diesel or get an LPG V8
does the lpg conversion work or have any downsides ?
Road tax ?
Reliability ?
Servicing costs ?
Will everyone just give me the old coffee beans ?
best to try and get Vogue spec ?
any other pointers ?
thanks for any help
As above, diesel smells. LPG looks gay when your filling up, but you can switch to petrol for fun and get reasonable MPG!Diesel or get an LPG V8
does the lpg conversion work or have any downsides ?
Road tax ?
Reliability ?
Servicing costs ?
Will everyone just give me the old coffee beans ?
best to try and get Vogue spec ?
any other pointers ?
thanks for any help
Check it, Downsides = having a silly LPG filler, possibility of the car exploding, lack of boot space etc etc
Road Tax - Take out a mortgage!
Reliability - not sure, sorry!
Servicing Costs - its a big BMW, 2nd mortgage perhaps?
No, not everyone.
Yes, there better!
Consider a BMW X5?
I had a 2004 full fat V8 Vogue for 3.5 years from new. I simply loved that car.
It had the BMW 4.4 litre lump, which was surprisingly spritley given the weight of the old girl.
If fuel costs are a consideration, just don't get a petrol. I was realistically getting 15 to 17 on general commutes, and up to a stellar 22 on a run. I can't comment on LPG, and the performance of the older diesels was pedestrian (the newer V8 diesls are a different beast entirely, and are priced accodingly).
I have to regularly travel to customers, and sadly the Range Rover image just doesn't do it any more, thanks to the tree-huggers, otherwise i'd have another in a heartbeat!
It had the BMW 4.4 litre lump, which was surprisingly spritley given the weight of the old girl.
If fuel costs are a consideration, just don't get a petrol. I was realistically getting 15 to 17 on general commutes, and up to a stellar 22 on a run. I can't comment on LPG, and the performance of the older diesels was pedestrian (the newer V8 diesls are a different beast entirely, and are priced accodingly).
I have to regularly travel to customers, and sadly the Range Rover image just doesn't do it any more, thanks to the tree-huggers, otherwise i'd have another in a heartbeat!
I have a RR TDV8, after a 4.4 X5.
Very, very different cars. The X5 really wanted to be a car, and acted as such. Tore up tyres like it was going out of fashion, and was totally lost when going off-road. Plus sides were is was a very comfortable place to be. On winter tyres it did cope with the snow though.
The RR is even nicer, and has a certain something about it. Classical, but functional. Able to return late 20's on the motorway run, and can really pick up her skirts and go if need be. The difference between the two is the the RR knows what it is (a nice off-roader), and therefore acts as such. Slow gearbox and pull-away are the achillies heals of this one.
You pays your money.....
Servicing - take it to a specialist, or DIY. They are easy to work on. Road tax - think it's around the £400 mark. It is HUGE, but there we go. You will look like a toss-pot on the school run. Go for the Vogue SE spec - yes there is more to go wrong, but you'll regret not getting everything. Other tips would be to get a boot tidy tray from ebay (£20), and that will save you a lot of grief.
Very, very different cars. The X5 really wanted to be a car, and acted as such. Tore up tyres like it was going out of fashion, and was totally lost when going off-road. Plus sides were is was a very comfortable place to be. On winter tyres it did cope with the snow though.
The RR is even nicer, and has a certain something about it. Classical, but functional. Able to return late 20's on the motorway run, and can really pick up her skirts and go if need be. The difference between the two is the the RR knows what it is (a nice off-roader), and therefore acts as such. Slow gearbox and pull-away are the achillies heals of this one.
You pays your money.....
Servicing - take it to a specialist, or DIY. They are easy to work on. Road tax - think it's around the £400 mark. It is HUGE, but there we go. You will look like a toss-pot on the school run. Go for the Vogue SE spec - yes there is more to go wrong, but you'll regret not getting everything. Other tips would be to get a boot tidy tray from ebay (£20), and that will save you a lot of grief.
Edited by Don1 on Monday 11th October 09:19
Much depends on budget, the diesels have been getting better over the years (big surprise). The 2.9 BMW unit used up to 2006 was replaced by a much better 3.6 V8 in 2007 and really since 2007 getting the diesel is the only sensible option. The 3.6 has also been improved over time, the early ones suffered from a big lag, the later ones were better. Of course today it's been replaced with a 4.4 V8 which is superb, but I'm guessing a new one isn't what you are after.
I can comment on the three different sorts of Range Rovers I've driven regularly
My parents used to have a 2003 BMW V8 item, sounded excellent and ran flawlessly for the 4 years we had it, but it was a thirsty beast (16-18mpg) and not particularly quick, although acceptable.
My parents now have a 2006 Jag S/C RR, which has more than enough poke for a big car, isn't much thirstier than the old n/a V8 was (15-17mpg), but has been fairly problematic with various faults over the years.
My girlfriends parents also have a 2004 2.9 Diesel. It's very slow, quite noisy (although not particularly unpleasant once it's warmed up), and returns about 21-23mpg. Still a lovely car, but I couldn't cope with something that slow.
My parents used to have a 2003 BMW V8 item, sounded excellent and ran flawlessly for the 4 years we had it, but it was a thirsty beast (16-18mpg) and not particularly quick, although acceptable.
My parents now have a 2006 Jag S/C RR, which has more than enough poke for a big car, isn't much thirstier than the old n/a V8 was (15-17mpg), but has been fairly problematic with various faults over the years.
My girlfriends parents also have a 2004 2.9 Diesel. It's very slow, quite noisy (although not particularly unpleasant once it's warmed up), and returns about 21-23mpg. Still a lovely car, but I couldn't cope with something that slow.
Girlfriend has a 2005 diesel Vogue and loves it.
Loads of glitches, electrical bits, CD plas up, seats play up and folding mirrors but other than a new fuel pump and routine servicing it runs well.
She gets 27mpg and is mostly on Urban roads. Driving position is good and steering not too heavy.
Hers has a heated steering wheel and seats, dont know if this is standard, plus front and rear parking sensors (useful) and a sunroof.
Her seats are also piped which looks nice and the rear has a dog guard.
She has had it for just short of 2 years and i think could sell it for much the same as paid as used prices seem to have held up well.
As said, a V8 diesel would be better still.
Loads of glitches, electrical bits, CD plas up, seats play up and folding mirrors but other than a new fuel pump and routine servicing it runs well.
She gets 27mpg and is mostly on Urban roads. Driving position is good and steering not too heavy.
Hers has a heated steering wheel and seats, dont know if this is standard, plus front and rear parking sensors (useful) and a sunroof.
Her seats are also piped which looks nice and the rear has a dog guard.
She has had it for just short of 2 years and i think could sell it for much the same as paid as used prices seem to have held up well.
As said, a V8 diesel would be better still.
I've had an 03/04 model and loved it but it cost me a small fortune in deprceiation and also repairs. If they break they break big time, stearing column went caput on mine and dropped to knee level, was looking at £3k for a fix. Heater wouldn't turn off when ignition was off, plus other smaller problems. Just remember their price when new, the bills still reflect that.
ETA....would have another though
ETA....would have another though
Edited by Phil Dicky on Monday 11th October 10:18
thanks guys.. looking at low end of teh market so way before any V6 or V8 diesels
hence why I would look at LPG
the internet tells us they are a massive step in in reliability from the P38
that said I do my own work so not that bothered is things need fixing here and there
hence why I would look at LPG
the internet tells us they are a massive step in in reliability from the P38
that said I do my own work so not that bothered is things need fixing here and there
Edited by jackal on Monday 11th October 10:26
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