Oh dear Toyota. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
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Well, Toyota is recalling another million cars. The issue? Leaking brake master cylinders.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11593952
The fail is strong with this company.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11593952
The fail is strong with this company.
Do any of you realise it isn't just Toyota that have problems with new cars.
Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
aka_kerrly said:
Do any of you realise it isn't just Toyota that have problems with new cars.
Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
Probably all share the same unit/technology too..Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
homerjay said:
there are loads of safety recalls on loads of car.
the media just seem to picking up on toyota for one reason or another.
the wifes citroen has been in for 2 since weve had it (3 months), yet its not been plastered all over the news.
Exactly what I was getting at!the media just seem to picking up on toyota for one reason or another.
the wifes citroen has been in for 2 since weve had it (3 months), yet its not been plastered all over the news.
I believe the American media will go a long way to make sure that people believe that foreign products are bad and its best to stick with US produce, Ie stop buying toyotas buy Fords, but I didnt think the UK media was as bad especially as a fair few Japanese cars are assembled in Britain you would think we would want to keep the Jap manufactures sweet!!
It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and unfortunately for Toyota the press are looking for any juicy bit of news. In sort no other manufacturer has put as much back into the business (or any other type of business for that matter) in terms of methodology/quality etc.
but to put into perspective, who ever read the headlines for the Volvo S40
[i]Car check problem points
Body: A recall in 2005 for a faulty windscreen surround. Another in 2008 where incorrect rear wheel bolts could cause the wheels to loosen.
Engine/Gearbox: In 2006 there was a recall for a possible fuel leak which could result in a fire and another the same year for an ECU fault which could cause the engine to fail. In 2008 there was a recall for a potential fuel pump failure while 2009 saw a recall for a fan module issue which could cause an engine fire.
Other: A recall in 2006 where braking performance may be affected by a problem with the vacuum pump. There was a similar recall in 2008, this time because of possible leaks from the brake master cylinder. A second recall in 2008 came up because of a potential power steering pipe leak while another followed due to issues with the accelerator pedal not returning to its resting position. In 2009 there was another recall where the brakes may not perform properly due to a problem with the vacuum pressure pump. [/i]
I certainly didn't until I was daft enough to consider buying one.
but to put into perspective, who ever read the headlines for the Volvo S40
[i]Car check problem points
Body: A recall in 2005 for a faulty windscreen surround. Another in 2008 where incorrect rear wheel bolts could cause the wheels to loosen.
Engine/Gearbox: In 2006 there was a recall for a possible fuel leak which could result in a fire and another the same year for an ECU fault which could cause the engine to fail. In 2008 there was a recall for a potential fuel pump failure while 2009 saw a recall for a fan module issue which could cause an engine fire.
Other: A recall in 2006 where braking performance may be affected by a problem with the vacuum pump. There was a similar recall in 2008, this time because of possible leaks from the brake master cylinder. A second recall in 2008 came up because of a potential power steering pipe leak while another followed due to issues with the accelerator pedal not returning to its resting position. In 2009 there was another recall where the brakes may not perform properly due to a problem with the vacuum pressure pump. [/i]
I certainly didn't until I was daft enough to consider buying one.
Edited by Fatman2 on Thursday 21st October 13:12
Jonny671 said:
aka_kerrly said:
Do any of you realise it isn't just Toyota that have problems with new cars.
Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
Probably all share the same unit/technology too..Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
ManOpener said:
Jonny671 said:
aka_kerrly said:
Do any of you realise it isn't just Toyota that have problems with new cars.
Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
Probably all share the same unit/technology too..Just this year so far (2010 models only) in the USA BMW have had to recal a 400,000 5 and 6 series, Chrysler over 200,000 , Jeep 200,000, Pontiac 150,000 cars. So collectively over a million cars all for problems with the brakes or accelerator....
dave
They're recalling them but its costing them an awful lot of money and atleast they're owning up to it and getting it sorted.
Toyota make some of the most reliable and well engineered cars on the market today. Yes, Toyota have had a reduction in quality over the last few years, but they have an awful lot of excess quality to drop, and they're still amongst the best. All manufacturers have had recalls, it's just that the media love to kick people and companies when they're down. What they don't understand is the philosophy of Toyota and of the Japanese in general is that they don't sweep things like this under the carpet, they take it very seriously indeed and so we all get to hear about it.
Also, on another note, I've never understood why people here say Toyotas are boring. Yes they are, but what do you think they're trying to be?! They're designed as practical everyday cars, and at that task they excel. If I was in the market for a practical everyday car then I'd happily buy a Toyota simply because they're vastly superior to the majority of their competitors. If you want a characterful hot hatch, then buy a Megane, Clio or a Golf, and if you want a fast saloon, buy a BMW or Merc. Toyota are not trying to be any of those things, and they're as much a specialist at what they do as Lotus or Porsche are, it's just that many people on here are too narrow minded to think about what other non-petrolheads might want in a car.
Also, on another note, I've never understood why people here say Toyotas are boring. Yes they are, but what do you think they're trying to be?! They're designed as practical everyday cars, and at that task they excel. If I was in the market for a practical everyday car then I'd happily buy a Toyota simply because they're vastly superior to the majority of their competitors. If you want a characterful hot hatch, then buy a Megane, Clio or a Golf, and if you want a fast saloon, buy a BMW or Merc. Toyota are not trying to be any of those things, and they're as much a specialist at what they do as Lotus or Porsche are, it's just that many people on here are too narrow minded to think about what other non-petrolheads might want in a car.
RobM77 said:
Toyota make some of the most reliable and well engineered cars on the market today. Yes, Toyota have had a reduction in quality over the last few years, but they have an awful lot of excess quality to drop, and they're still amongst the best. All manufacturers have had recalls, it's just that the media love to kick people and companies when they're down. What they don't understand is the philosophy of Toyota and of the Japanese in general is that they don't sweep things like this under the carpet, they take it very seriously indeed and so we all get to hear about it.
Also, on another note, I've never understood why people here say Toyotas are boring. Yes they are, but what do you think they're trying to be?! They're designed as practical everyday cars, and at that task they excel. If I was in the market for a practical everyday car then I'd happily buy a Toyota simply because they're vastly superior to the majority of their competitors. If you want a characterful hot hatch, then buy a Megane, Clio or a Golf, and if you want a fast saloon, buy a BMW or Merc. Toyota are not trying to be any of those things, and they're as much a specialist at what they do as Lotus or Porsche are, it's just that many people on here are too narrow minded to think about what other non-petrolheads might want in a car.
That's all fine, but Ford are in the same market and make much more interesting cars. So do Vauxhall, Nissan, Renault, etc.Also, on another note, I've never understood why people here say Toyotas are boring. Yes they are, but what do you think they're trying to be?! They're designed as practical everyday cars, and at that task they excel. If I was in the market for a practical everyday car then I'd happily buy a Toyota simply because they're vastly superior to the majority of their competitors. If you want a characterful hot hatch, then buy a Megane, Clio or a Golf, and if you want a fast saloon, buy a BMW or Merc. Toyota are not trying to be any of those things, and they're as much a specialist at what they do as Lotus or Porsche are, it's just that many people on here are too narrow minded to think about what other non-petrolheads might want in a car.
Toyota have had some great cars like MR2 and Celica and Supra, but theres nothing left now. The Auris looks the same as the Corolla it replaced.
RobM77 said:
What they don't understand is the philosophy of Toyota and of the Japanese in general is that they don't sweep things like this under the carpet, they take it very seriously indeed and so we all get to hear about it.
They quite clearly did exactly that with the sticking accelerator issue. First they ignored it, then they blamed the carpet mats, had a half-assed recall on that, then finally discovered it was the pedals that were jamming.http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/ind...
Quote:
Edolphus Towns, the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said at the start of the hearing that the world’s biggest carmaker had “ignored or minimised” reports of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota cars, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) “did very little about it — and when it did do something, its actions were very limited”.
In hours of questioning, Mr LaHood suggested that the corporate culture at Toyota had restricted its ability to respond to safety concerns.
“I do believe that they were safety deaf,” he said.
Edited by HellDiver on Thursday 21st October 16:00
dylan0451 said:
well, you wouldn't want to buy an import would you. all these nasty japanese cars riddled with faults. dangerous, you only have to look at the news to see how unsafe they are.
indeed. genuine colleague facepalm
...despite the fact that a good number of them were built in the USA...indeed. genuine colleague facepalm
don't woosh me, I know you were Michael taking
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