197 or vxr corsa
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Just wondering if anyone could tell me why the corsa vxr is a higher insurance group than the 197 clio which has a bigger engine! Thinking about buying a 197 but nearing only 20 the insurance is a big factor in which car and any other suggestions of small hot hatches fiesta st ect...
bigcam101 said:
Just wondering if anyone could tell me why the corsa vxr is a higher insurance group than the 197 clio which has a bigger engine! Thinking about buying a 197 but nearing only 20 the insurance is a big factor in which car and any other suggestions of small hot hatches fiesta st ect...
Most likely because more young folk would 'aspire' to a VXR, not know how to drive it and prang it!The 197 is a beter handling car and won't be anywhere near as quick as the VXR unless you are trying. The assumption with the VXR will be that being young you are likely to become a bit trigger happy with the turbo boost thing and will be going quicker more often, or it could be more corsas are written off then clios.
Insurance makes no sense, I can insure a 996 C4s for £650, an M5 for £1054, or a £350 fiat punto 60 for £674, all fully comp and checked yesterday.
Insurance makes no sense, I can insure a 996 C4s for £650, an M5 for £1054, or a £350 fiat punto 60 for £674, all fully comp and checked yesterday.
doogz said:
Chris_w666 said:
The 197 is a beter handling car and won't be anywhere near as quick as the VXR unless you are trying. The assumption with the VXR will be that being young you are likely to become a bit trigger happy with the turbo boost thing and will be going quicker more often, or it could be more corsas are written off then clios.
Insurance makes no sense, I can insure a 996 C4s for £650, an M5 for £1054, or a £350 fiat punto 60 for £674, all fully comp and checked yesterday.
There's pretty much fInsurance makes no sense, I can insure a 996 C4s for £650, an M5 for £1054, or a £350 fiat punto 60 for £674, all fully comp and checked yesterday.
k all in it, in the performance stakes. 0.1s to 60, 1mph difference in top end.Justin-W said:
A mate of mine was once pondering whether to buy a Corsa VXR and I literally said "if you get one I'll disown you".
I don't care how much power its got as at the end of the day the setup cant handle it. If you are a true driving enthusiast you'll go for the 197.
you're going to have to run that one by me again I don't care how much power its got as at the end of the day the setup cant handle it. If you are a true driving enthusiast you'll go for the 197.
doogz said:
Chris_w666 said:
doogz said:
Chris_w666 said:
The 197 is a beter handling car and won't be anywhere near as quick as the VXR unless you are trying. The assumption with the VXR will be that being young you are likely to become a bit trigger happy with the turbo boost thing and will be going quicker more often, or it could be more corsas are written off then clios.
Insurance makes no sense, I can insure a 996 C4s for £650, an M5 for £1054, or a £350 fiat punto 60 for £674, all fully comp and checked yesterday.
There's pretty much fInsurance makes no sense, I can insure a 996 C4s for £650, an M5 for £1054, or a £350 fiat punto 60 for £674, all fully comp and checked yesterday.
k all in it, in the performance stakes. 0.1s to 60, 1mph difference in top end.If anything, the Clio got a harder time, as it needed to be revved. The Mini is more relaxing in that sense, the Clio got it's ass kicked on a regular basis, because it was less torque-y through the rev range.
and is no where near as quick as the Clio (the performance figures on paper mean nothing) have driven both cars 
i was in the same position as you, and checked out both cars
basics the clio handles slightly better than the corsa, yet the corsa makes up for it in performance, unless your going to trackdays theres not much of a difference (there is a video of them both going around the nurburgring overall theres no difference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4V9yxYJ8sM ) the corsa handling is not as bad as some people make out
inside, standard wise the corsa wins hands down, standard recaros, cruise control, a/c basically more toys as standard, the cabin has nicer feel plastics, the clio felt cheap and outdated(for the money i was expecting a higher standard with the clio) plus the recaro seats in the clio are an expensive option
the corsa also looks better, it stands out and shouts that its a hot hatch (it does get attention, people try it on in there cars (bit boring unless theres something interesting to have fun with)), the clio without the cup pack looked to boring like a sleeper car
i'm averaging 33mpg in the vxr with mainly A road comute driving and the odd blast, you could average more if your drive carefully.
right lets get to the over hyped piston 4 issues, looking on forums it seems that the problems occure from the following:
tuned car which hasent been cared for i.e. not warmed up cooled down
dealer demo cars which would have been raged from day one without being warmed up etc
basically look after the car you'll have no problems
also if you do decided to go for the corsa, wheel bearings, coolant leak and aircon pipes splitting are the common faults (which are all sorted under warrenty)
servicing every 20k/ 1 year which ever comes first and its very cheap for the car you get.
in a straight line the car can happily out run cars like the type r, gti's etc (power to weight)
finally theres a new limited edition coming out next march (around that time) the nuremburgring(spelling?) edition which comes lowered has an LSD new alloys and bodystyling aswell as other things which are being kept secret as standard (but expect to pay 20k for that
hope that helps if you want anymore info email me on my profile (if i've set it up proply )
basics the clio handles slightly better than the corsa, yet the corsa makes up for it in performance, unless your going to trackdays theres not much of a difference (there is a video of them both going around the nurburgring overall theres no difference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4V9yxYJ8sM ) the corsa handling is not as bad as some people make out
inside, standard wise the corsa wins hands down, standard recaros, cruise control, a/c basically more toys as standard, the cabin has nicer feel plastics, the clio felt cheap and outdated(for the money i was expecting a higher standard with the clio) plus the recaro seats in the clio are an expensive option
the corsa also looks better, it stands out and shouts that its a hot hatch (it does get attention, people try it on in there cars (bit boring unless theres something interesting to have fun with)), the clio without the cup pack looked to boring like a sleeper car
i'm averaging 33mpg in the vxr with mainly A road comute driving and the odd blast, you could average more if your drive carefully.
right lets get to the over hyped piston 4 issues, looking on forums it seems that the problems occure from the following:
tuned car which hasent been cared for i.e. not warmed up cooled down
dealer demo cars which would have been raged from day one without being warmed up etc
basically look after the car you'll have no problems
also if you do decided to go for the corsa, wheel bearings, coolant leak and aircon pipes splitting are the common faults (which are all sorted under warrenty)
servicing every 20k/ 1 year which ever comes first and its very cheap for the car you get.
in a straight line the car can happily out run cars like the type r, gti's etc (power to weight)
finally theres a new limited edition coming out next march (around that time) the nuremburgring(spelling?) edition which comes lowered has an LSD new alloys and bodystyling aswell as other things which are being kept secret as standard (but expect to pay 20k for that
hope that helps if you want anymore info email me on my profile (if i've set it up proply )
richcorsavxr said:
basics the clio handles slightly better than the corsa, yet the corsa makes up for it in performance, unless your going to trackdays theres not much of a difference (there is a video of them both going around the nurburgring overall theres no difference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4V9yxYJ8sM ) the corsa handling is not as bad as some people make out
In that vid the Clio is wiping the floor with the VXR! Does seem to be a better driver in the Clio though (only watched first 2 mins)A mate just had the piston 4 issue, a tuned but well looked after car, always allowed to run to cool down etc
Both capable cars, the fiesta ST you mention at the end needs modifying to show its true potential
One thing he did say about the corsa is when he had it uprated to stage 2 it just couldn't handle the power
For the money a megane 225 or focus rs/st??
Both capable cars, the fiesta ST you mention at the end needs modifying to show its true potential
One thing he did say about the corsa is when he had it uprated to stage 2 it just couldn't handle the power
For the money a megane 225 or focus rs/st??
AMST09 said:
A mate just had the piston 4 issue, a tuned but well looked after car, always allowed to run to cool down etc
Both capable cars, the fiesta ST you mention at the end needs modifying to show its true potential
One thing he did say about the corsa is when he had it uprated to stage 2 it just couldn't handle the power
For the money a megane 225 or focus rs/st??
The Fiesta ST was designed to be slower. It is cheaper on insurance and is primarily aimed at the younger market. I have heard it can get a decent power increase by getting an induction kit on it. Which may then bugger the cheaper insurance. I would go for the Clio. I personally would go for a 182 trophy. Granted you might want a newer car.Both capable cars, the fiesta ST you mention at the end needs modifying to show its true potential
One thing he did say about the corsa is when he had it uprated to stage 2 it just couldn't handle the power
For the money a megane 225 or focus rs/st??
Edited by Celt on Friday 29th October 00:45
Justin-W said:
A mate of mine was once pondering whether to buy a Corsa VXR and I literally said "if you get one I'll disown you".
I don't care how much power its got as at the end of the day the setup cant handle it. If you are a true driving enthusiast you'll go for the 197.
Sorry but you're pigeon-holeing of "true driving enthusiasts" is puerile. I don't care how much power its got as at the end of the day the setup cant handle it. If you are a true driving enthusiast you'll go for the 197.
The VXR's chassis is more than capable of keeping its power in check.... in fact pretty much every mag thats tested it has commented that the car is actually more mini-GT than sports hatch given how competent the chassis is.
On the road, the VXR is a far more relaxing thing to punt quickly than the clio and yet on track it is remarkably composed. The clio may be better on track at 9 or 10/10ths, but thats hardly the basis upon which most people choose their road car.
richcorsavxr said:
the corsa also looks better, it stands out and shouts that its a hot hatch (it does get attention, people try it on in there cars (bit boring unless theres something interesting to have fun with)), the clio without the cup pack looked to boring like a sleeper car
Just no. The VXR looks like it has been pre-halfords-ed so the potential customer doesn't have to think and/or invalidate the warranty.bigcam101 said:
Just wondering if anyone could tell me why the corsa vxr is a higher insurance group than the 197 clio which has a bigger engine! Thinking about buying a 197 but nearing only 20 the insurance is a big factor in which car and any other suggestions of small hot hatches fiesta st ect...
Insurance groups are odd. Personally I'd ignore them and just shop around for quotes. It is quite likely that in some cases a higher insurance group car will be cheaper to insure than a lower one.Gassing Station | General Gassing [Archive] | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff