Peugeot failing tyre valves
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OK so just in case you may ever be tempted to own a Peugeot -
Just got back 'it' (2006 SW 407) back from a service at a local garage (taking a Peugeot to a main dealer is a bit like asking to be mugged).
The service manager was very apologetic but the tyre valves had 'rotted' and when he had tried to remove the valve cap they had crumbled!
Inspecting the valves he was correct, the metal was of such poor quality you could crush it with your fingers to the extent you can now see the top of the valve itself.
Checking the web the issue is a common problem - I guessed that this must be a recall issue so checked with VOSA, (no they are aware its a common problem but its not a recall).
So if you own a Peugeot please check your tyre valves as if they in a similar state they could disintegrate on you. Also please alert VOSA as these are a real danger if anything was to bump them or put additional stress on them.
Oh nearly forgot the punch line the valves are only able to be supplied and fitted by a Peugeot dealer and will cost £588 to replace.
The dealer service before cost £2005.57
The dealer service before that was £800 - When they broke the AC while fitting a new wheel baring.
So just in case you are ever tempted......
Just got back 'it' (2006 SW 407) back from a service at a local garage (taking a Peugeot to a main dealer is a bit like asking to be mugged).
The service manager was very apologetic but the tyre valves had 'rotted' and when he had tried to remove the valve cap they had crumbled!
Inspecting the valves he was correct, the metal was of such poor quality you could crush it with your fingers to the extent you can now see the top of the valve itself.
Checking the web the issue is a common problem - I guessed that this must be a recall issue so checked with VOSA, (no they are aware its a common problem but its not a recall).
So if you own a Peugeot please check your tyre valves as if they in a similar state they could disintegrate on you. Also please alert VOSA as these are a real danger if anything was to bump them or put additional stress on them.
Oh nearly forgot the punch line the valves are only able to be supplied and fitted by a Peugeot dealer and will cost £588 to replace.
The dealer service before cost £2005.57
The dealer service before that was £800 - When they broke the AC while fitting a new wheel baring.
So just in case you are ever tempted......
k me!The valves have a pressure sensor on the back of them and delay a message to the cars computer, if the pressures are low it signals on the dash.
They are made of ally composite and yes do rot, the caps rot on the stem and sometimes cannot be removed.
What i do for my customers is fit standard valves (rubber ones) and delete this from the on board computer, that way you check your tyres when needed and have no dash lights on.
Carl
They are made of ally composite and yes do rot, the caps rot on the stem and sometimes cannot be removed.
What i do for my customers is fit standard valves (rubber ones) and delete this from the on board computer, that way you check your tyres when needed and have no dash lights on.
Carl
By the look of it you could bin the clever sensors and put up with the error codes on the dash. Or buy a service kit £5 which might not have the correct parts though. Or the sensors are £50ish off ebay, and get your auto electician to code the ecu.
Edited to say the feature can be turned off by a diagnostics computer but the look of it. So a cheap fix is to hand.
Edited to say the feature can be turned off by a diagnostics computer but the look of it. So a cheap fix is to hand.
Edited by lost in espace on Friday 29th October 19:24
Just Googled out of interest though and came up with this link:
http://www.tyre-equipment.co.uk/acatalog/Peugeot_T...
£25 each seems a bit more reasonable, they need coding to get the ECU to recognise them but I imagine a good specialist Peugeot independant garage would have the necessary kit to do that?
http://www.tyre-equipment.co.uk/acatalog/Peugeot_T...
£25 each seems a bit more reasonable, they need coding to get the ECU to recognise them but I imagine a good specialist Peugeot independant garage would have the necessary kit to do that?
Question for the Pug specialists: I assume that a 407 doesn't use runflats, so what's the point in TPSs? Are Pug owners deemed as too lazy/stupid to check pressures the "traditional" way? Or, is this seen as an esssential safety device to warn of rapid deflation?
Isn't this engineering for the sake of it?
I drive a US import and the TPSs are £120 each, which I thought was expensive. That was until I read that Pug charge £200+. Jeez.
No they are not run flat and yes you could just put in normal valves - think the point I'm making is that while its unusual for tyres to suddenly deflate the exceptional low quality of the materials used have made sudden deflation very likely.
I guess the feature was added as a low cost (to pug) NCAP points winner -
Reality is there must be thousands of these valves out there all coming to the end of there design life all un checked (as its sending a message to the driver that all is well).
I would personally rather have a sticky accelerator pedal than a hole appear in my tyre at 70mph (you don't buy a 407 to potter round town).
I guess the feature was added as a low cost (to pug) NCAP points winner -
Reality is there must be thousands of these valves out there all coming to the end of there design life all un checked (as its sending a message to the driver that all is well).
I would personally rather have a sticky accelerator pedal than a hole appear in my tyre at 70mph (you don't buy a 407 to potter round town).
From what I've read here, the alternative solution that BMW etc use is a better way of doing it, basically the ecu monitors the wheel speeds via the abs sensors, if one starts to go down it will naturally rotate faster and the ecu will flag up the puncture. No additional kit required other than software coding of the ECU, and it seems to work fine.
Edited by LocoBlade on Sunday 31st October 10:04
I had a 407 coupe for three years. I was bought some 'alloy' dust caps, which I was silly enough to fit. They corroded to the valve and I broke one off trying to put some air in a tyre. Dealer took car in and replaced all four free of charge. They did state you should never fit anything other then plastic caps.
Only other cost was two new tyres and £152 for a service. Only sold it because I needed more space in the back. Great car. Never went wrong and got an excellent p/x when I changed it.
Only other cost was two new tyres and £152 for a service. Only sold it because I needed more space in the back. Great car. Never went wrong and got an excellent p/x when I changed it.
Anything is better than valves so cheap they fail.
LocoBlade said:
From what I've read here, the alternative solution that BMW etc use is a better way of doing it, basically the ecu monitors the wheel speeds via the abs sensors, if one starts to go down it will naturally rotate faster and the ecu will flag up the puncture. No additional kit required other than software coding of the ECU, and it seems to work fine.
Edited by LocoBlade on Sunday 31st October 10:04
These were the origonal plastic cap - just made of cheese!
Elroy Blue said:
I had a 407 coupe for three years. I was bought some 'alloy' dust caps, which I was silly enough to fit. They corroded to the valve and I broke one off trying to put some air in a tyre. Dealer took car in and replaced all four free of charge. They did state you should never fit anything other then plastic caps.
Only other cost was two new tyres and £152 for a service. Only sold it because I needed more space in the back. Great car. Never went wrong and got an excellent p/x when I changed it.
Only other cost was two new tyres and £152 for a service. Only sold it because I needed more space in the back. Great car. Never went wrong and got an excellent p/x when I changed it.
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