track day in a 1.2.....
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ollie854

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422 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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right as you no i only passed my test last week but next year id like to do a track day to see the limits of grip etc in my car within a controlled enviroment e.g not blasting down a country lane and sticking it in a ditch. but im assuming id be really out of place on a track day in a 1.2 clio???? :/

Deranged Granny

2,322 posts

191 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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ollie854 said:
right as you no i only passed my test last week but next year id like to do a track day to see the limits of grip etc in my car within a controlled enviroment e.g not blasting down a country lane and sticking it in a ditch. but im assuming id be really out of place on a track day in a 1.2 clio???? :/
Doo eye?

medullanocte

118 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Should be fine. As long as you appreciate there's going to be faster cars there and let them pass when they need to, there'll be no problem at all.

greggy50

6,258 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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I was tempted to do one in the fiesta as its quite good in the corners think momentum would be the key 2bh
Just need to find a fairly twisty track near the midlands
Suggestions?

mikesufc

28 posts

187 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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medullanocte said:
Should be fine. As long as you appreciate there's going to be faster cars there and let them pass when they need to, there'll be no problem at all.
Agree with this.

Track days are about going out and having fun(while being safe) not necessarily about being quick.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

208 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Also bear in mind a track day can be very punishing on a car, especially one that isn't designed generally to be driven hard / fast!

Might seem a bit overcautious but you should definitely get a garage to give the car a once over before you do it, advising them of your intentions and again when you get back! Especially as you're a new driver and might not have the experience to handle certain circumstances what might occur from extreme wear of brakes / tyres / suspension components!

FreeLitres

6,121 posts

200 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Might it be worthwhile just driving for a few months/years before you have to start "finding limits"?

greggy50

6,258 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Reading the post again I think make sure you go on an airfield based track day as sounds like you are going to go as fast as you can until you crash near enough...

ollie854

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422 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Chicane-UK said:
Also bear in mind a track day can be very punishing on a car, especially one that isn't designed generally to be driven hard / fast!

Might seem a bit overcautious but you should definitely get a garage to give the car a once over before you do it, advising them of your intentions and again when you get back! Especially as you're a new driver and might not have the experience to handle certain circumstances what might occur from extreme wear of brakes / tyres / suspension components!
thats easy enough im an apprentice technician so i can easily get my car a ramp and checked over by a proper technician.

ive been a member of the under 17 car club for 3 years before learning to drive on the road and done a skid pan course within the club. so id say i have got more experience than most 17 year olds.

STW2010

5,895 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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ollie854 said:
Chicane-UK said:
Also bear in mind a track day can be very punishing on a car, especially one that isn't designed generally to be driven hard / fast!

Might seem a bit overcautious but you should definitely get a garage to give the car a once over before you do it, advising them of your intentions and again when you get back! Especially as you're a new driver and might not have the experience to handle certain circumstances what might occur from extreme wear of brakes / tyres / suspension components!
thats easy enough im an apprentice technician so i can easily get my car a ramp and checked over by a proper technician.

ive been a member of the under 17 car club for 3 years before learning to drive on the road and done a skid pan course within the club. so id say i have got more experience than most 17 year olds.
Ok, but you haven't been driving on the roads in real situations any more than most 17 year olds.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

208 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Certainly sounds like you have got some above average experience mate and sounds like your intentions are right. Better to learn how the car behaves on a track than on the road, definitely.

Something my grandad said to me when I passed 11 or so years ago was "Now you've passed your test, you can learn to drive.." - of course I thought I was already a great driver and proceeded to learn that I really wasn't - had some terrifying near misses but no-one got hurt and my dads Talbot Alpine survived! smile

CDP

8,019 posts

277 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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If it's an airfield day make sure you take a couple of spare tyres with you as FWD cars can shred them quite easily.

I wouldn't worry about the Clio from a speed point of view, I've run my diesel Vectra round a few tracks before now and the Clio should handle a lot better than that. Just go easy on the brakes.

In fairness, when it was new the Vectra wasn't too bad and lift off oversteer was quite easily controlled. Now it's past 150,000 miles it's getting a bit baggy.

ollie854

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422 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Chicane-UK said:
Certainly sounds like you have got some above average experience mate and sounds like your intentions are right. Better to learn how the car behaves on a track than on the road, definitely.

Something my grandad said to me when I passed 11 or so years ago was "Now you've passed your test, you can learn to drive.." - of course I thought I was already a great driver and proceeded to learn that I really wasn't - had some terrifying near misses but no-one got hurt and my dads Talbot Alpine survived! smile
yea i thought that also im not into driving fast on roads its not worth it so i thought about track days to do that instead. and i do totally agree with that quote i have learnt more about driving on the roads in the last 4/5 days than i have in 2 months on the road.

CDP

8,019 posts

277 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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I forgot to mention some of the trackday organisers will group drivers according to power and experience; Jonny at Bookatrack certainly used to.


EDLT

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229 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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FreeLitres said:
Might it be worthwhile just driving for a few months/years before you have to start "finding limits"?
Why?

Many racing drivers were finding the limits of grip long before they were allowed in a car without a special booster seat.

CDP

8,019 posts

277 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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EDLT said:
FreeLitres said:
Might it be worthwhile just driving for a few months/years before you have to start "finding limits"?
Why?

Many racing drivers were finding the limits of grip long before they were allowed in a car without a special booster seat.
Better to find the limits on an airfield or track without cyclists, pedestrians and other people who don't want to be there.

When (not if) you really lose it at speed you'll be pointing the wrong way thinking just how big an accident that would have been on your favourite B road.

Talk to the organiser and have a go, just remember the extra wheels as I've heard of police checking tyres on cars leaving events. At least on a Clio they should be cheap from the scrappy.


ShadownINja

79,313 posts

305 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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anonymous said:
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I had to read that several times before I finally realised what you meant. I thought I was going mad for a moment.

winshent

1,174 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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CDP said:
just remember the extra wheels as I've heard of police checking tyres on cars leaving events.
I think that's a myth.. never experienced it myself..

Edited by winshent on Tuesday 2nd November 23:33

LeeThr

3,122 posts

194 months

Tuesday 2nd November 2010
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Some Tracks run there own track days and they have designated one's for novices with small power car's like yours. Ive been thinking about maby doing one or two in my pug 206 next year when they start again at Ty Croes on Angelsey.

Daaave

223 posts

223 months

Wednesday 3rd November 2010
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I'd avoid airfield days to be honest - too much space and a featureless circuit are pretty dull. You'll end up overdriving and making a tt out of yourself.

A proper track day would be excellent though, for that you won't need any spare tyres unless yours are already at their limit. You'll be doing well to burn through a set of fronts in a 1.2 Clio in a day.

No matter how good you think you are, book an instructor. They are worth their weight in gold. Take one session near the beginning of the day and one after lunch and you'll soon start to see how you can keep up with vastly more expensive machinery in the bends. On the straights you'll probably be one of the slowest, but no-one cares as long as you watch your mirrors and don't hold up others who want to pass.

I wish I'd started track days much earlier. Get it out of your system and don't practice what you've learnt on the road, there are too many things that you can't predict at inappropriate speeds.