Why don't car companies tell the EU to F*** OFF!?
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As per title, the EU keeps imposing rediculous emission targets and regulations to car companies, why dont they tell them to sod off?
What would happen if they didn't meet these emission targets and refused to pay the fines? I read somewhere the EU has set an unbelievable average emission target for the near future, something the likes of Ferrari, Porsche and Aston martin etc will be virtually impossible to meet! Unless they all start producing 4 cylinder eco boxes, in which case the marque dies.
Surely Italy would support Ferrari and not want to see it go down the pan, same with Germany and Porsche, BMW etc. This could even apply to more average cars then the Japanese could get involved too! (Honda civic type r engine killed off.)
I know this might just be a fantasy we all want to happen but it's slowly killing off great cars and N/A engines. How long before we see the Ferrari V12 killed off like the BMW V10? There is even talk of a 4 cylinder 911 ffs!
Genuine question why don't they stand up to the EU? They have the power!
What would happen if they didn't meet these emission targets and refused to pay the fines? I read somewhere the EU has set an unbelievable average emission target for the near future, something the likes of Ferrari, Porsche and Aston martin etc will be virtually impossible to meet! Unless they all start producing 4 cylinder eco boxes, in which case the marque dies.
Surely Italy would support Ferrari and not want to see it go down the pan, same with Germany and Porsche, BMW etc. This could even apply to more average cars then the Japanese could get involved too! (Honda civic type r engine killed off.)
I know this might just be a fantasy we all want to happen but it's slowly killing off great cars and N/A engines. How long before we see the Ferrari V12 killed off like the BMW V10? There is even talk of a 4 cylinder 911 ffs!
Genuine question why don't they stand up to the EU? They have the power!
Ultimately I'd imagine that they'd lose the ability to get type approval, which would mean they couldn't be road registered without going through an SVA like a kit car.
Anyway, Porsche is part of VW; Lambo is part of VW; Ferrari is part of Fiat. None of them have to the meet targets on their own.
Anyway, Porsche is part of VW; Lambo is part of VW; Ferrari is part of Fiat. None of them have to the meet targets on their own.
s and will throw their weight against anything they dont approve of and eventually kill all fun.Another thread blaming the EU for ... everything.
Car companies don't care what the regulations are so long as they're the same for everyone. The regulations are made by the governments elected by the people.
Some years ago unleaded petrol and catalysts were thought to be the end of the performance car. What utter nonsense that has turned out to be.
Less complaining; more
Car companies don't care what the regulations are so long as they're the same for everyone. The regulations are made by the governments elected by the people.
Some years ago unleaded petrol and catalysts were thought to be the end of the performance car. What utter nonsense that has turned out to be.
Less complaining; more
It is true thought.
I'm quite confident that eventually all the good high perfomance cars will be "export only", and will be shipped to Asia, and the Middle East where there are no CO2 emission regs.
It'll be a sad day when there will be a Euro Regs car (completely neutered) and a "world export" version of the same car with twice the performance.
Andy
I'm quite confident that eventually all the good high perfomance cars will be "export only", and will be shipped to Asia, and the Middle East where there are no CO2 emission regs.
It'll be a sad day when there will be a Euro Regs car (completely neutered) and a "world export" version of the same car with twice the performance.
Andy
Ozzie Osmond said:
Another thread blaming the EU for ... everything.
Car companies don't care what the regulations are so long as they're the same for everyone. The regulations are made by the governments elected by the people.
Did you vote for Herman? Did you vote in the referendum we had just before we signed up to the Lisbon treaty?Car companies don't care what the regulations are so long as they're the same for everyone. The regulations are made by the governments elected by the people.
The EU is a joke democracy that makes China look progressive.
Bing o said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Another thread blaming the EU for ... everything.
Car companies don't care what the regulations are so long as they're the same for everyone. The regulations are made by the governments elected by the people.
Did you vote for Herman? Did you vote in the referendum we had just before we signed up to the Lisbon treaty?Car companies don't care what the regulations are so long as they're the same for everyone. The regulations are made by the governments elected by the people.
The EU is a joke democracy that makes China look progressive.
You are making the mistake of seperating the EU from countries like Italy and Germany when in fact to all intents and purposes Italy IS the EU, Germany IS the EU.
You are also assuming that the interests of niche car makers go beyond those of the general population. I'm not going to go into the politics or the science of climate change but you would struggle to gain a consensus at international political level that the world needs V8s and V10s more than it needs a stable climate.
The 'facts' of climate change are clearly debatable but the fact that the green agenda has survived through the recession indicates that it will not go away.
It is also arguable that these regulations are of a more direct benefit to us. The advancement of diesel technology and of the latest wave of efficient, powerful turbo petrol engines is all evidence of the manufacturers working their arses off to beat the rules for us.
And where would the world be without the Cygnet?
You are also assuming that the interests of niche car makers go beyond those of the general population. I'm not going to go into the politics or the science of climate change but you would struggle to gain a consensus at international political level that the world needs V8s and V10s more than it needs a stable climate.
The 'facts' of climate change are clearly debatable but the fact that the green agenda has survived through the recession indicates that it will not go away.
It is also arguable that these regulations are of a more direct benefit to us. The advancement of diesel technology and of the latest wave of efficient, powerful turbo petrol engines is all evidence of the manufacturers working their arses off to beat the rules for us.
And where would the world be without the Cygnet?
andytk said:
It is true thought.
I'm quite confident that eventually all the good high perfomance cars will be "export only", and will be shipped to Asia, and the Middle East where there are no CO2 emission regs.
It'll be a sad day when there will be a Euro Regs car (completely neutered) and a "world export" version of the same car with twice the performance.
Andy
I think you're right here, I mean just look at how bhp has fallen across the range of all cars over the last ten years; there is definately a sharp decline in the power of hot hatches, super saloons and super cars available within the EU........oh, hang on. I appear to be completely wrong. I'm quite confident that eventually all the good high perfomance cars will be "export only", and will be shipped to Asia, and the Middle East where there are no CO2 emission regs.
It'll be a sad day when there will be a Euro Regs car (completely neutered) and a "world export" version of the same car with twice the performance.
Andy
It's the car companies that invent the legislation!
Think about it. All modern business is run along he same lines these days. The large companies lobby government for extra legislation because it is anticompetitive! They know they can cope with the rules when others cannot.
As a bonus the complexity and cost of vehicles increases meaning more cash for the car companies.
In a truly free market cars would cost bugger all by now.
Speeling
Think about it. All modern business is run along he same lines these days. The large companies lobby government for extra legislation because it is anticompetitive! They know they can cope with the rules when others cannot.
As a bonus the complexity and cost of vehicles increases meaning more cash for the car companies.
In a truly free market cars would cost bugger all by now.
Speeling
Edited by supersingle on Friday 12th November 07:14
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