I thought the Saab 9-3 Turbo was supposed to be quick?????
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A friend of mine is looking into buying a 56 plate 1.8T Saab 9-3 convertable. I really like the Saab convertables and would seriously consider getting one for the wife, largly so i have a rag top to drive around in again. Anyway, when he said he is going to test one i decided to look into them in more depth and frankly i was shocked!!
Curb weight of over 2 tons and just 150bhp giving a 0-60 of 10 seconds! Thats just 75bhp per ton, the 1.4 Polo is in this ballpark and does 40 to the gallon where the Saab has economy figures not far off my Impreza!!
The same diesel powered Saab with exactly the same performance and power figures will do high 30's to the gallon so what is the point of the petrol car??
What have they done?????
Curb weight of over 2 tons and just 150bhp giving a 0-60 of 10 seconds! Thats just 75bhp per ton, the 1.4 Polo is in this ballpark and does 40 to the gallon where the Saab has economy figures not far off my Impreza!!
The same diesel powered Saab with exactly the same performance and power figures will do high 30's to the gallon so what is the point of the petrol car??
What have they done?????
The 1.8t is certainly not that quick, or especially frugal. Try a 2.0T aero to go fast or a 2.8T to go fast and burn fuel.
Or a diesel if you want to hear tractor noises with the roof down
Saabs are built with safety in mind so are quite substantial weight wise. Handy if you crash that, especially with no roof.
Or a diesel if you want to hear tractor noises with the roof down
Saabs are built with safety in mind so are quite substantial weight wise. Handy if you crash that, especially with no roof.
doogz said:
The point in the petrol one, i think, is that it's considerably cheaper to buy (used anyway) sounds nicer than a diesel, a consideration for me when it's a rag top, and if he wants a quick one, the 1.8T is not where he should be looking, the 2.0T is a bit more like it, and i don't think they do a 2.3 any more, but the 2.8V6TT (Vectra VXR engine?) was rather more powerful.
My Mum has a 1.8T 9-2 ragtop, i quite like it tbh, it's not quick, but it's not supposed to be, very softly sprung, it's a comfy summer cruiser. Could have done with a 6th cog imo though.
The car he is looking at is a 56 in black with cream leather and 35k on the clock, the same garage also has an identical one but a diesel with 29k for 3k more!My Mum has a 1.8T 9-2 ragtop, i quite like it tbh, it's not quick, but it's not supposed to be, very softly sprung, it's a comfy summer cruiser. Could have done with a 6th cog imo though.
I do like the cars a lot and for me the second car would have to be an economical one considering how thirst my main car is, so it would be the diesel for the wife that i would consider. I know what you are saying about the sound etc, it would certainly be more refined to run the petrol lump but its still very shocking to see those figures!
doogz said:
The point in the petrol one, i think, is that it's considerably cheaper to buy (used anyway) sounds nicer than a diesel, a consideration for me when it's a rag top, and if he wants a quick one, the 1.8T is not where he should be looking, the 2.0T is a bit more like it, and i don't think they do a 2.3 any more, but the 2.8V6TT (Vectra VXR engine?) was rather more powerful.
My Mum has a 1.8T 9-2 ragtop, i quite like it tbh, it's not quick, but it's not supposed to be, very softly sprung, it's a comfy summer cruiser. Could have done with a 6th cog imo though.
Agree with most, but the noise. Most 4 pot petrol engines sound pants too and part of me prefers a 4 pot diesel in this respect.My Mum has a 1.8T 9-2 ragtop, i quite like it tbh, it's not quick, but it's not supposed to be, very softly sprung, it's a comfy summer cruiser. Could have done with a 6th cog imo though.
Evil.soup said:
convertable
diesel powered
diesel powered
Your question is answered.
Also the 1.8T is a turbo so you get nice turbo noises, and is cheap to insure as its low performance.
Perfect for people who don't care about performance but don't like the noise....
Edited by Petrolhead_Rich on Friday 12th November 14:08
Mazdarese said:
I don't believe it's over 2000kg.
Its nowhere near 2 tons. Its 1580kg.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?de...
EDIT:
The saloon is only 1425kg too.
Edited by EDLT on Friday 12th November 20:36
The 1.8t is actually the same engine as in the 2.0t just a smaller turbo and a different map. There are a few saab specialists who can map the 150bhp to 240bhp the same as they map the 210 bhp (2.0t) to 240bhp. The engine is built for it the turbo just has to work that bit harder. Long term don't know the wear implications for the smaller turbo, but they map it so ask them!! Standard out the box maps will raise the 150bhp to around 200bhp. See link for displacement.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrive...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrive...
Edited by stevemiller on Friday 12th November 20:51
rallycross said:
Did someone mention a diesel convertible?
Good idea.
Simply because anyone who is stupid enough to chose to buy a diesel convertible deserves to sit and die slowly in their own smelly black tractor fumes.
Do modern diesels not kick out less Co2 than their petrol equivalents?Good idea.
Simply because anyone who is stupid enough to chose to buy a diesel convertible deserves to sit and die slowly in their own smelly black tractor fumes.
Also, how many reasonably priced convertibles (ie. £20-£25k new) have a decent soundtrack? There's not many that you'd want to hear...
I'd buy a convertible because I like the wind in your hair thing & don't want to be enclosed in some sweaty cabin on a sunny day. I also like the idea of not having to frequent the petrol station every other day to fill up a thirsty petrol convertible when a diesel of similar performance would get me another 200 miles from a tank...
Fail to see how that would make me "stupid".
Eggman said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
Evil.soup said:
convertable
diesel powered
diesel powered
That's a petrol powered tractor. If you look closely at the original picture you can see the distributor and HT leads.
I think that's actually a fuel pump/filter....Illustrates the point non the less...
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