McLaren MP4-12C - are there any stats yet?

[E21_Ross]

does anyone know things like the official power output of the new macca? i'm wandering whether it'll be quicker (both in a line and around a track) than the F458

thanks

[Plotloss]

600bhp/600nM

It will mug the 458 in every possible way.

[E21_Ross]

Plotloss said:

600bhp/600nM

It will mug the 458 in every possible way.

as much as i really like the F458, i do bloody hope that's true

thing is, will mclaren have to release something else in response to the inevitable F458 scud?

[80s Matchbox]

Plotloss said:

600bhp/600nM

It will mug the 458 in every possible way.

...but not in the looks department.

[Plotloss]

80s Matchbox said:

Plotloss said:

600bhp/600nM

It will mug the 458 in every possible way.

...but not in the looks department.

Subjective.

I however personally think it looks a lot nicer than the 458.

[E21_Ross]

Plotloss said:

80s Matchbox said:

Plotloss said:

600bhp/600nM

It will mug the 458 in every possible way.

...but not in the looks department.

Subjective.

I however personally think it looks a lot nicer than the 458.

just read the article on wiki, it appears it's going to have more bhp, weigh (although only marginally) less, brake faster. just be interesting to see how it goes round corners.

also interesting is the fact it has more torque (over 10% more) and the fezza has 80% of torque from 3250rpm, whereas the macca has 80% of torque from just 2000rpm. it revs "only" to 8500 though from those stats, it should be faster providing the aerodynamics aren't like a loaf of bread

looks wise, i'm still not sold on the rear of the macca, though i'm no big fan of the 3 exhaust set up on thee 458. for some reason, i feel all patriotic and really want the macca to wipe the floor with it's target market

Edited by E21_Ross on Saturday 20th November 20:02

[80s Matchbox]

E21_Ross said:

Plotloss said:

80s Matchbox said:

Plotloss said:

600bhp/600nM

It will mug the 458 in every possible way.

...but not in the looks department.

Subjective.

I however personally think it looks a lot nicer than the 458.

just read the article on wiki, it appears it's going to have more bhp, weigh (although only marginally) less, brake faster. just be interesting to see how it goes round corners.

looks wise, i'm still not sold on the rear of the macca, though i'm no big fan of the 3 exhaust set up on thee 458. for some reason, i feel all patriotic and really want the macca to wipe the floor with it's target market

I agree with the rear of the Macca being a bit of a mess. It will be interesting to see of the figures stack up.

When I first saw photos of the 458 I thought it looked great...then when I saw it in the "flesh", I was a bit disappointed.

[Colin 1985]

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

[Plotloss]

Colin 1985 said:

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

Yep, uses the brake discs.

[Mastodon2]

80s Matchbox said:

I agree with the rear of the Macca being a bit of a mess. It will be interesting to see of the figures stack up.

I think it looks great

[Conor D]

Colin 1985 said:

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

Yea, I think I read it doesn't have a LSD. Not sure how it works though.

[Colin 1985]

Conor D said:

Colin 1985 said:

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

Yea, I think I read it doesn't have a LSD. Not sure how it works though.

So it wont be able to keep up with the 458 out of a corner then?

[E21_Ross]

Colin 1985 said:

Conor D said:

Colin 1985 said:

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

Yea, I think I read it doesn't have a LSD. Not sure how it works though.

So it wont be able to keep up with the 458 out of a corner then?

i hope you're joking? electronic programmes running in the background can in theory be far, far better than a traditional diff. we have no idea what macca have done but they wouldn't have left an lsd out if it was going to compromise the car.....

[Conor D]

Colin 1985 said:

Conor D said:

Colin 1985 said:

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

Yea, I think I read it doesn't have a LSD. Not sure how it works though.

So it wont be able to keep up with the 458 out of a corner then?

Taken from Evo's article on the car:

There’s no limited-slip diff, though. F1 transfer steps in again here, even though the tech in question was outlawed 12 years ago. Sheriff: ‘It’s called Brake-Steer. In essence it’s a system that brakes the inside rear wheel when the car is entering a corner too quickly, trimming the car’s line back towards the apex. So we actually use the brakes to help steer the car. It provides the sort of functionality you might normally have from an active diff to help the car turn in. The beauty of it, if you get the software to work properly, is that it feels completely natural and you eliminate all of the weight and mechanical complexity of an LSD, as well as the losses through friction in the system.’

http://www.evo.co.uk/features/features/241483/mcla...

[Daniel1]

Mastodon2 said:

80s Matchbox said:

I agree with the rear of the Macca being a bit of a mess. It will be interesting to see of the figures stack up.

I think it looks great

-1

looks like it was designed by a kid from the 80's, er, in the 80's.

[Colin 1985]

E21_Ross said:

Colin 1985 said:

Conor D said:

Colin 1985 said:

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

Yea, I think I read it doesn't have a LSD. Not sure how it works though.

So it wont be able to keep up with the 458 out of a corner then?

i hope you're joking? electronic programmes running in the background can in theory be far, far better than a traditional diff. we have no idea what macca have done but they wouldn't have left an lsd out if it was going to compromise the car.....

But surly if it uses the breaks to stop one wheel slipping then its just waisting that power.

ETA: Oh, I think that evo article was where I read it. I assumed break steer was only useful when slowing down and entering, rather than exiting a corner.

Edited by Colin 1985 on Saturday 20th November 20:29

[E21_Ross]

Colin 1985 said:

E21_Ross said:

Colin 1985 said:

Conor D said:

Colin 1985 said:

Anyone know what type of diff the Mclaren will have, I thought I read something about it being an electronic one, does this mean it has an open diff and just uses its traction control?

Yea, I think I read it doesn't have a LSD. Not sure how it works though.

So it wont be able to keep up with the 458 out of a corner then?

i hope you're joking? electronic programmes running in the background can in theory be far, far better than a traditional diff. we have no idea what macca have done but they wouldn't have left an lsd out if it was going to compromise the car.....

But surly if it uses the breaks to stop one wheel slipping then its just waisting that power.

ETA: Oh, I think that evo article was where I read it. I assumed break steer was only useful when slowing down and entering, rather than exiting a corner.

Edited by Colin 1985 on Saturday 20th November 20:29

in theory it will shirley be used when powering out of a corner to limit oversteer or understeer?

[S3_Graham]

Daniel1 said:

Mastodon2 said:

80s Matchbox said:

I agree with the rear of the Macca being a bit of a mess. It will be interesting to see of the figures stack up.

I think it looks great

-1

looks like it was designed by a kid from the 80's, er, in the 80's.

saw a black one in Basingstoke a few weeks ago, thought it was a noble or kit car or something from a distance! looks much nicer in black!

[Wayne King]

E21_Ross said:

just read the article on wiki, it appears it's going to have more bhp, weigh (although only marginally) less, brake faster. just be interesting to see how it goes round corners.

also interesting is the fact it has more torque (over 10% more) and the fezza has 80% of torque from 3250rpm, whereas the macca has 80% of torque from just 2000rpm. it revs "only" to 8500 though from those stats, it should be faster providing the aerodynamics aren't like a loaf of bread

looks wise, i'm still not sold on the rear of the macca, though i'm no big fan of the 3 exhaust set up on thee 458. for some reason, i feel all patriotic and really want the macca to wipe the floor with it's target market

Edited by E21_Ross on Saturday 20th November 20:02

Ferrari 458 - 4.5 Litres of naturally aspirated V8 goodness.

McLaren MP4-12C - 3.8 Litres of turbo charged sadness.

The highlighted part is why the Ferrari will always be my choice between the two.

[Plotloss]

Turbo is very small and very fast to spool, by all accounts lag is non-existant.