First 200bhp hot hatch?

[Harry Monk]

Anyone here settle an argument?

Not talking super low volume homologation specials. Genuine walk in off the high street buyable hot hatch. What was the first with 200bhp?

Friend reckons it was Escort Cosworth.

Was RS Focus first with 300bhp?

[paulrhodes]

Delta Integrale?

[Snails]

paulrhodes said:

Delta Integrale?

That was my initial thought.

[shibby!]

Nissan Pulsar got that in 1990 or so.
I think the Evo 1 was around that time also.
Celica Gt4 was 90 was it not? maybe before.... not entirely sure. Reckon it would be the ST165 version.

Although im pretty sure there may be a few before that.

[Or888t]

Snails said:

paulrhodes said:

Delta Integrale?

That was my initial thought.

Would be my guess aswel.

[Roop]

Ford Sierras RS Cosworth. 1986. 204bhp.

[anonymous-user]

Depends on your definition of hatch but the Sierra was here in 86 with over 200

[Altrezia]

Golf G60 16v Ltd - 1989 with 220bhp?

[shibby!]

Not sure the Sierra falls into hot hatch.... i think that falls into the same catagory as Supra's Nissan 300zx etc etc.

What would you call them.... muscle cars maybe.

[paulrhodes]

G60's weren't UK available were they?

[Smike]

Harry Monk said:

Anyone here settle an argument?

Not talking super low volume homologation specials. Genuine walk in off the high street buyable hot hatch. What was the first with 200bhp?

Friend reckons it was Escort Cosworth.

Was RS Focus first with 300bhp?

Rover 220 GSi/Gti Turbo didn't quite make it with just a smidge under 200bhp ( 197ish ) but it was certainly one of the most rapid of its time

[Harry Monk]

I would class Sierras and Celicas (and Calibras etc) in a class above.

Just saw Delta Integrale 16v at 200bhp (1989).

Edited by Harry Monk on Wednesday 1st December 16:29

[Roop]

How can a Sierra not be a hatch...? 3 doors, hatchback, smaller than a Focus.

Calibra is a coupé as is the Celica...

Edited by Roop on Wednesday 1st December 16:32

[Podie]

Roop said:

How can a Sierra not be a hatch...? 3 doors, hatchback, smaller than a Focus.

Calibra is a coupé...

Too big.

[shibby!]

Are Supra, 300Zx, Celica, Mitsubishi GTO also hot hatches in that case?

[Roop]

Podie said:

Roop said:

How can a Sierra not be a hatch...? 3 doors, hatchback, smaller than a Focus.

Calibra is a coupé...

Too big.

Ok, but bizarre. It's much lower, much narrower and much lighter than a Focus. Only a few cm longer too. Dies that make the Ficus an SUV...?

[otolith]

If the Sierra counts as a hot-hatch because it has a hatchback, I'm calling the Porsche 928

[Roop]

shibby! said:

Are Supra, 300Zx, Celica, Mitsubishi GTO also hot hatches in that case?

No. Coupés. They were sold as such as well.

The Sierra is the same floorpan as the Escort RS so I don't see how one qualifies and the other doesn't...!!! Sierra is also lower, narrower and lighter than the Escort...!!!

Edited by Roop on Wednesday 1st December 16:40

[Roop]

otolith said:

If the Sierra counts as a hot-hatch because it has a hatchback, I'm calling the Porsche 928

soz. 928 is a coupé. It was sold as a coupé whereas Sierra was sold as a hatch...!

[iva cosworth]

shibby! said:

I think the Evo 1 was around that time also

just how many Mitsi Evo are hatches ?