Quick game : diagnose the fault
Quick game : diagnose the fault
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5lab

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1,797 posts

217 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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So, the GF just phoned. Her 2003 (duratec) ford ka developed a rattle, which is also making the car shake. The check engine light came on once (but went away). The vibration is related to revs (bad at low revs, worse, then gets better through the range). there is also a 'whirry noise' near the drivers side. It is down on power. Oil level is fine. Note that any of these symptoms might have been there forever (ie may just be the car). This all occurs when the car is stationary

AA will be there in just under an hour to provide the full answer. Person who gets it right wins the 5.30 beard award

My thought is maybe a spark plug/ht lead has gone (making it run on 3 pots)? Its as if the engine is out of balance, but I can't think of anything that'd 'go' that'd cause that?

Edited by 5lab on Tuesday 7th December 17:31

buzzsaw

698 posts

290 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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Yes, sounds like a bad misfire. Check engine light flashes as it detects the misfire. Could be leads, but could be many other things causing it!

Dogwatch

6,357 posts

243 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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Wouldn't have thought that one plug going down would have caused so much vibration in the engine. Down on power of course but not otherwise noticeable from the driving seat.

Cambelt jumped a notch?

steveo3002

10,997 posts

195 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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plugs or leads

5lab

Original Poster:

1,797 posts

217 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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to add a nugget of information - last time I drove it (couple of weeks ago) it seemed to hesitate a little under load.

cambelts an interesting one - do they actually jump notches?

Edited by 5lab on Tuesday 7th December 17:41

TankRizzo

7,883 posts

214 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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+1 for failed or failing plug.

buggalugs

9,259 posts

258 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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These eat coil packs don't they? My sisters has had 2...

jeebus

445 posts

205 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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Idle control valve ?

sicarumba

421 posts

184 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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I'll go for the air flow sensor

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

200 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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sicarumba said:
I'll go for the air flow sensor
1+

d3m0n

38 posts

187 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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coil pack, plugs, leads, alternator

jon-

16,534 posts

237 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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d3m0n said:
coil pack, plugs, leads, alternator
This. Just sorted out my girlfriends 03. If it's not been serviced for a while do all 3.

Don't worry about the cambelt suggestion, iirc the 1.3 duratec has a camchain so it could be very unlucky to jump a tooth.

calibrax

4,788 posts

232 months

Tuesday 7th December 2010
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Could be a broken/loose engine mounting.

5lab

Original Poster:

1,797 posts

217 months

Wednesday 8th December 2010
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sorry for the late reply

buggalugs wins the top beard award for the first person with the right answer. Was the coil. Fortunately, they go pop so regularly the AA man had one in his van, and fitted it free (part cost was £75).

All running well again now

H

jon-

16,534 posts

237 months

Wednesday 8th December 2010
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5lab said:
sorry for the late reply

buggalugs wins the top beard award for the first person with the right answer. Was the coil. Fortunately, they go pop so regularly the AA man had one in his van, and fitted it free (part cost was £75).

All running well again now

H
Or £15 from a motorfactors smile

buggalugs

9,259 posts

258 months

Wednesday 8th December 2010
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5lab said:
sorry for the late reply

buggalugs wins the top beard award for the first person with the right answer. Was the coil. Fortunately, they go pop so regularly the AA man had one in his van, and fitted it free (part cost was £75).

All running well again now

H
bowtie

MondeoMan1981

2,445 posts

204 months

Wednesday 8th December 2010
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Got to be the coil pack. I had one go on my old Mondeo and it was exactly as you described.

The RAC fitted me one at the roadside for £55. Think they are about £30-£35 , far less inconvenient than getting recovered to outside a factors or dealers, bus home, and returning in morning to get part and fit it...

Rich_W

12,548 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th December 2010
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5lab said:
sorry for the late reply

buggalugs wins the top beard award for the first person with the right answer. Was the coil. Fortunately, they go pop so regularly the AA man had one in his van, and fitted it free (part cost was £75).

All running well again now

H
Well maybe £30ish parts with £45 fitting! Even a main dealer ought not to charge that much to fit all 4, let alone 1.

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,918 posts

237 months

Wednesday 8th December 2010
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A quick addition...

These coil pack failures are quite a known fault on these cars, and Mondeos, Fiestas and Focii.

When the pack goes bad and a high resistance builds up, they quite often take out the ECU firing transistors as well.

She was lucky the ECU survived this time, but be aware that it may fail soon.

Do a search on Google, you'll find lots.

It's not a horrendous or expensive job to repair if it does - around £200 at an ECU specialist.