Crash, who do you think is at fault?
Discussion
Wanted to hear peoples opinions really, and hear what you think the outcome will be with insurance claims etc.
Snowy late morning, 2-3inches of snow fell overnight, road is mainly white with compacted snow.
Long straight road, cars moving slowly in both directions.
Mums minding her own business trawling along at 15mph, Car pulls out onto the road from a side road, absolutely plastered in snow, every window completely covered bar a hole in the front windscreen for him to see out.
Car drives for a 50-100 metres and then abrubptly comes to a stop, mother hits the brakes and slides into the back of the other car.
Get out have a look and snow has basically fallen off the roof/top of the windscreen of this blokes car and blocked his vision (too much for wipers to clear), so hes panicked slammed on the anchors (obviously not aware of any cars behind him) and just stopped in the middle of the road. Mums then had to react and ended up skidding into the back of him.
I am aware that if you hit the back of someone you are generally at fault. But at the same time, this clown was driving around in this car with virtually no visibility and a thick covering of snow all over it, Surely this has to be considered. Where do people think this snow is going to end up? Why cant people take 2mins to quickly knock the snow off their cars?
We have pictures of the scene and are already in contact with the insurance companies.
I dont want this thread to turn into a slagging match, about who should have done what. But i would like your opinions and if anyone is in the insurance game it would be nice to know what you have to say.
Happy Sledging
Snowy late morning, 2-3inches of snow fell overnight, road is mainly white with compacted snow.
Long straight road, cars moving slowly in both directions.
Mums minding her own business trawling along at 15mph, Car pulls out onto the road from a side road, absolutely plastered in snow, every window completely covered bar a hole in the front windscreen for him to see out.
Car drives for a 50-100 metres and then abrubptly comes to a stop, mother hits the brakes and slides into the back of the other car.
Get out have a look and snow has basically fallen off the roof/top of the windscreen of this blokes car and blocked his vision (too much for wipers to clear), so hes panicked slammed on the anchors (obviously not aware of any cars behind him) and just stopped in the middle of the road. Mums then had to react and ended up skidding into the back of him.
I am aware that if you hit the back of someone you are generally at fault. But at the same time, this clown was driving around in this car with virtually no visibility and a thick covering of snow all over it, Surely this has to be considered. Where do people think this snow is going to end up? Why cant people take 2mins to quickly knock the snow off their cars?
We have pictures of the scene and are already in contact with the insurance companies.
I dont want this thread to turn into a slagging match, about who should have done what. But i would like your opinions and if anyone is in the insurance game it would be nice to know what you have to say.
Happy Sledging
probably you for going into the back of him as he was infront of you on the road and it wasn't his pulling out in front of you that caused the crash as it was further on than that. you should always leave room for unseen emergency stops etc - granted no one does but that's life sadly.
its a bit like speeding doing 35 or 40 in a 30 because everyone does but sadly if a cop pulls you for it you are techically at fault but it should be the other drive but hey ho
sorry thats my opinon
its a bit like speeding doing 35 or 40 in a 30 because everyone does but sadly if a cop pulls you for it you are techically at fault but it should be the other drive but hey ho
sorry thats my opinon
Edited by Dave9 on Friday 17th December 13:39
sorryto say but i htink your mother would be at fault. if she saw the car was caked i nsnow she should have stayed a long long way behind.
the other guy is of course a prat and i hope it resolves in your favour but unless you can actually prove what happened (ie that snow fell obscuring his view) its unlikely to fall in your favour. he would have to describe that incident and knowing it would increase his fault, i doubt he will state that snow form the windscreen cleared his view.
if he does however, refer to the recent police comment that they would prosecute motorists driving around with snow on their roof.
the other guy is of course a prat and i hope it resolves in your favour but unless you can actually prove what happened (ie that snow fell obscuring his view) its unlikely to fall in your favour. he would have to describe that incident and knowing it would increase his fault, i doubt he will state that snow form the windscreen cleared his view.
if he does however, refer to the recent police comment that they would prosecute motorists driving around with snow on their roof.
shame it is so far, you could argue he pulled out and stopped dead because he couldn't see, therefore he pulled out and is at fault, but with that distance it becomes running into the back of someone on a straight road!
Could argue you couldn't see his brake lights due to the snow, that could be a better avenue to go down?
Pictures need to be posted!!!
Could argue you couldn't see his brake lights due to the snow, that could be a better avenue to go down?
Pictures need to be posted!!!
russy01 said:
this clown was driving around in this car with virtually no visibility and a thick covering of snow all over it, *Surely this has to be considered*.
Pure opinion only as i'm not an insurance expert.While the world is full of clowns, our only option is to avoid them.
I'm afraid, as you put it "this has to be considered". This should have been considered by your mum who should have backed off.
If the vehicle couldn't stop it should have been travelling slower (than 15,mph) of with a larger distance to the vehicle in front..
Really sorry
Him.
For not clearing the snow and ice from his car, he had t stop because of this, in an unsafe place, and with the dangerous road conditions he casued the accident by stopping in an un safe position.
If I were you mum, id make sure she mad reference to the number of cars coming the other way, hindering her steering round him not being an option.
If I was in your mums position I would have t
tted him, for being a , well, actually, me being me, would have got someone to get him ttted.
Really don’t have time for people who don’t “have time” to clear the windscreens, and side windows.
For not clearing the snow and ice from his car, he had t stop because of this, in an unsafe place, and with the dangerous road conditions he casued the accident by stopping in an un safe position.
If I were you mum, id make sure she mad reference to the number of cars coming the other way, hindering her steering round him not being an option.
If I was in your mums position I would have t
tted him, for being a , well, actually, me being me, would have got someone to get him ttted.Really don’t have time for people who don’t “have time” to clear the windscreens, and side windows.
Petrolhead_Rich said:
Could argue you couldn't see his brake lights due to the snow, that could be a better avenue to go down?
This is what I was thinking.Although the driver who pulled out is a complete idiot by the sound of it, as she ran into the back of him she's at fault.
Perhaps, and this is hypothetical obviously, he pulled out when there wasn't really enough space given the conditions. She, being a sensible driver, was in the process of increasing the distance between the cars when he braked suddently. As his brake lights were covered by snow it took a split second longer to react.
Key thing in my hypothesis is that the gap between cars was too small because he pulled out when he shoulnd't have, given the conditions.
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