RE: Ride Drive
Tuesday 27th April 2004

Ride Drive

Bryan Lister tells what he learned on his advanced TVR driving course entails


It’s a whisker past 8.15am on a misty April morning as I turn the Tuscan’s ignition off.  With my window down I am approached by a Police motorcyclist resplendent in his fluorescent jacket and clutching his crash helmet.  Behind him is a scene of police cars, bikes and accident investigation vans.

I sit apprehensively as he gets closer. “Are you selling it?” he quips, “How much do they cost?  What engine does it have?”.  This police officer likes TVRs.  While he takes a look around the car, I get a wave from a passing motorist.  That must be Stuart Grigg and this must be the correct rendezvous point outside West Yorkshire Police’s vehicle compound.

Stuart is a serving police officer for West Yorkshire Police.  On duty he patrols the local stretches of the very busy M62 and M1 motorway network.  Today however is a day off for him and he is my ‘Ride Drive’ mentor taking me on a full day Advanced TVR Handling Skills course. 

After introducing ourselves  (and Stuart has familiarised himself with the exterior styling of the Tuscan) we jump in and buckle up.  At this moment, all I can think of is my old driving instructor’s voice in my head saying  “Check handbrake is on, check you are in neutral gear, start the engine, take first gear, look all round the car for pedestrians and other vehicle…….”. 

By the time I’m down the road and arriving at the first roundabout I am reciting “Mirror. Signal. Manoeuvre” to myself.  I am trying too hard to be Mr Text Book Motorist and even with 360 bhp under my right foot, I feel slightly paranoid that I’ll be overtaken by the first granny who comes sailing along in her well kept beige Mini Metro.  That’s the initial effect of having a traffic policeman sitting next to you.

...it ain't a driving test

We take the slip road north onto the M1. Seeing a gap in the traffic I position the car to join and give a firm burst of acceleration.  Stuart gleefully comments on the car’s power and tells me not to hang back but drive how I do normally; this is after all not a driving test.  I start to relax.

30 minutes later we arrive at the driver training centre at Tockwith.  Tockwith used to be a WW II training base for Halifax bomber pilots and consequently has long runways there. After signing in at the office, we head off to a deserted runway furnished with traffic cones.

Handling

Stuart explains to me that we are going to get a feel for the Tuscan’s handling.  I take the car in 2nd gear at around 20 mph up the nearside of the runway and turn hard right to make a 180 degree manoeuvre around a cone.  No problem.  I then do the same down the other side of the runway and around another cone.  “OK, now lets use some more power and build that speed up”, says Stuart, “After all, you won’t be taking bends on country roads at 20 mph will you?”

We make successive loops up and down the runway.  In 3rd gear I make a hard right turn at around 60 mph, the rear wheels start to squeal.  Faster and faster we go time and again until the screeching from the tyres gets longer and louder. The car starts to slide until we are travelling sideways.  I feel amazed that the car can turn so hard at speed before losing grip.

Steering

When the breakaway point is reached, I can ‘normally’ get the car back under control with concentration.  I say ‘normally’ as once or twice the car did spin off.  Stuart explained that this was because of the way I was using the steering wheel and allowing my arms to cross; a natural reaction and a panic response.  At low driving speeds it is easy to ‘shuffle’ the wheel from hand to hand smoothly and appear to be in control.  Driving on the limit demands it be done this way to maintain control. 

To expand on the steering control, Stuart sets up a slalom course with the cones.  Again, I would take the car up the runway and increase the speed through the cones until the Tuscan started to slide around.  With concentration and smoothly feeding the wheel from hand to hand I could keep the car more balanced and get through the slalom smoother and faster.  Another run deliberately using my now ‘old style’ of steering had the car going all over the place.  There was the comparison between methods proving one was definitely superior to the other. Lesson learned, memorised, practised and taken away.

On the Skids

Next, onto the skid pan.  The management at Tockwith looked at me as if I had two heads when I said we were taking the Tuscan onto it. “Have you seen our skid pan?” the gentleman asked. “Eh, no.” I replied.  “Well, you won’t be wanting to take your nice clean car onto it Sir, unless you want it well undersealed!”.  “There’s an oily Volvo waiting for you there with some overalls. See you later”.

We arrived at the skid pan – and it was very oily.  Not to mention the sprinkler system spraying water on top. With clean overalls donned we climbed into a RWD Volvo that had remarkably little rust on it for its age.

Stuart buckled up beside me and we were off.  Even gentle acceleration had the car sliding around – at only 5 mph (although the Volvo’s speedo occasionally registered 120 mph – who said Tuscan speedos were unreliable?). 

After countless clockwise laps of the circuit, I was getting dizzy. Time to do some anti-clockwise laps to try and unwind the dizziness.  Tricky, very tricky.  I had to be so fast on the steering that I was regularly winding the wheel from full lock to full lock – and even then I wanted some more lock that the car just could not provide!  The steering technique that Stuart had showed me on the runway was being put into practice – good and proper.  With time I was powersliding the car around sideways.  It was a great feeling to master the balance between steering and throttle and with successive laps I was getting better at positioning the car and making it behave as I wished.

With overalls off and a quick check for oil on our clothes we jumped into the oil free, cream coloured cockpit of the Tuscan.  Thank goodness for sacrificial Volvos.  We had covered the car handling physics off of public roads at Tockwith and I had practiced some new techniques. Now it was time to take this knowledge and experience onto the open roads and make use of it.  We said ‘goodbye’ to the staff at Tockwith and headed East onto some lovely countryside B roads.

On the Road

Stuart’s experience as a police officer was immediately apparent.  Even sitting in the passenger seat he was saying things like “OK, you can overtake when the white and silver cars coming towards you have passed.”

I was thinking, “I’ve seen the white car and now I can see the silver – how did he see them before me? Does he have radar or Extra Sensory Perception? ”.  I counted my observational skills as being quite good – but Stuart’s commentary took this to a new and higher level. 

The most important priority Stuart rammed home was SAFETY. Reading the road ahead right up into the far distance on the horizon heightens observation and gives time to make a plan.  I was encouraged to straddle the white line to increase my view of the road and open the view up as much as possible.  A lot of the time I was on the other side of the road when approaching left hand bends.  This gave an earlier view down the road through bends allowing very high speeds to be maintained where safe.  Of course if there was oncoming traffic, there was plenty of time to move back over to the left without any drama. 

After a couple of hours hard driving I was taking the Tuscan around bends with speeds that previously I would not have dared to.  Quickly, calmly, smoothly whilst always maintaining a safety margin. 

The Tuscan was coming into its own and absolutely lapping it up.  Stuart referred to the Tuscan as “She” all the time and was shouting enthusiastic comments as if being the voice of the car. “Look at that view down the road.  Move over to the right.  Get the view.  Look at that. Its like a book being opened. Lovely view. Look at that bend, no one coming.  Come on! Let’s go!” 

Go go go!

With no further encouragement required and already being in the right position and right gear, the throttle would be squeezed hard and applauded by the Tuscan’s thunderous note.  The car would sit nicely when the power was applied at the right moment and go!  I was at last understanding the unrealised potential TVRs have and getting to use it to the full.  It was an experience that I can liken to playing a musical instrument.  After much practice, the cracked and wobbly wrong notes get replaced by correct tuneful ones, and then you can string them together and play a piece.  Before you know it, you can play music.  Today was the automotive equivalent of Beethoven’s 1812.

Miles Later

Late afternoon – by now we had clocked up nearly 200 miles of very fast driving on a variety of routes but mostly nice country B roads.  We stopped for a bacon sandwich and a cup of tea.  The break from driving allowed us to talk more fully about what I had learned and also get some tips on motorway driving where advanced observation is equally important.  Unfortunately, you cannot count on other drivers being alert and Stuart recounted tales of sitting behind traffic with blue lights and siren all going – only for the car in front not to notice him, even at night!

After half an hour it was time to mount our steed once again and set off back to base.  With the intensity of concentration I was now feeling more than a little tired and joined other traffic on the country roads driving at their pace. 

After a few miles I had recomposed myself and thought “Hang on a minute. I’m driving along in other traffic, but I don’t have to.”  I was just driving along in a convoy like every one else.  I made the conscious decision to get the last bit out of the day and show Stuart what I had learned.  Within moments I had overtaken all the cars in front of me and the caravan that was ahead of the queue.  No danger. No drama.  Quickly, but more importantly, safely. 

I had open road ahead of me again to enjoy and I felt amazed at the opportunities granted to me by virtue of  the car’s performance and handling.  Stuart likens this to now being a ‘player’ and no longer a ‘spectator’.

Do it

The Advanced TVR Handling Course  from Ride Drive is just one of the courses they offer TVR owners nationally. The quality of the courses is acknowledged by A Manning insurance who will grant discounts for those who have taken them. It may seem like a lot of money – but compared to the value of your car and more importantly your life, it really is peanuts – especially for the extra enjoyment you will derive from your car. 

The best performance enhancement you can get for your TVR may not be de-catting your exhaust or rechipping the ECU – ironically, it will probably be fine tuning the nut that holds the steering wheel.  I’d like to thank Ride Drive for and in particular Stuart for his infectious enthusiasm maintained through out the day.

Bryan Lister (Tus 373)

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DustyC

Original Poster:

12,822 posts

280 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Sounds good.
I wish they would reply to my emails or phone calls though then I might be able to do one myself.

Mrs Fish

30,018 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Bryan - great posting there and exactly like the experience I had two weeks ago. I could have written it myself, it sounds so similar

tonyout

582 posts

268 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Do they do one of these in East Anglia? Sounds like a good day even though I did the advanced motorcysclists 20 years ago, a refresher might be in order.

V8 Archie

4,703 posts

274 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Gazboy said:
How much are they?
When I went last year it was £120 for the half day and £220 for the full day course IIRC.

beano500

20,854 posts

301 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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tonyout said:
Do they do one of these in East Anglia? Sounds like a good day even though I did the advanced motorcysclists 20 years ago, a refresher might be in order.


Felt the same as you, having done a fair bit of Advanced Riding, and a refresher is definitley a good thing - and yes to East Anglia. One of their airfield, off road areas is near Cambridge (I couldn't tell you exactly where but there were some fun roads getting to it ! )

Xm5eR

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274 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Just out of interest, was the NSL strictly observed?

jam1et

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278 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Xm5eR said:
Just out of interest, was the NSL strictly observed?

I was just about to ask the same thing....

V8 Archie

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Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Xm5eR said:
Just out of interest, was the NSL strictly observed?

jam1et

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278 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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V8 Archie said:

Gazboy said:
How much are they?

When I went last year it was £120 for the half day and £220 for the full day course IIRC.

And for the full day with the aerodrom/airfield session its £299

cjn

230 posts

299 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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NSL

No speed limit?

beano500

20,854 posts

301 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Of course NSL is observed.........





"....Oh look, there's a NSL sign.....



..........Oh look, there's another NSL sign......."

DustyC

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280 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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cjn said:
NSL

No speed limit?


Thats actually what that sign means in Australia where its called "unrestricted".
The symbol kinda makes more sense too.
I believe that was what it used to be here prior to a law change.

mrmaggit

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Tuesday 27th April 2004
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jam1et said:

Xm5eR said:
Just out of interest, was the NSL strictly observed?


I was just about to ask the same thing....


When I did my half day, Alex was very strict on 30, 40, 50 limits, but the NSL was basically a "don't take the piss". Likewise, I questioned being over the white lines so much, and said if I had a trafpol following me, I'd get pulled. He answered that it would depend on whether they thought the positioning was for better visibility, or just wandering around the road.

If in doubt, do at least a half day, you won't regret it.

Mrs Fish

30,018 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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My full day including skid pan cost about £300-350


All 30's, 40's and 50's were stuck to rigidly, but the NSL was, go as fast as is safe

shoestring7

6,187 posts

272 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Do they (BiB) still call it a 'GLF'* sign?

SS7
*Go Like err.... Flip

philipleslie67

237 posts

278 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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I had two full days with Ride Drive BEFORE purchasing my Tuscan S...It was worth every penny. Don't leave home without one!!!

joospeed

4,473 posts

304 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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*thinks long and hard* ..
5 days a week, 350 pounds a day .. going fast in the passenger seat of someone else's car .. hmm .. I'm in the wrong business

*methinks there might be more to it than that!!*

great report .. if that doesn't tempt people into doing one of these courses nothing will

joo





Mrs Fish said:
My full day including skid pan cost about £300-350


All 30's, 40's and 50's were stuck to rigidly, but the NSL was, go as fast as is safe

neil.b

6,546 posts

273 months

Tuesday 27th April 2004
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Done the same full-day course myself. Can't praise it enough. In fact I'm thinking of doing it again

Interesting to see the same principles applied by differeny instructors/regions - was told the same; where there's posted limits you have to stick to them, NSL = go for the horizon

PetrolTed

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levensnevel

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Tuesday 27th April 2004
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qte...
The best performance enhancement you can get ..... may not be de-catting your exhaust or rechipping the ECU – ironically, it will probably be fine tuning the nut that holds the steering wheel.
...unqte

Great observation Bryan. You took the words right out of my mouth.
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levensnevel

a smile every mile and
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