Formula Tyre Management

[gaz1234]

Boring.

All about tyres now and not the drivers.

Vettel seems to be able to drive the car on the limit any time of the race. Everyone else cant.

Race Control = Stupid.

Change the rules and tyres.

[RobGT81]

gaz1234 said:

All about tyres now and not the drivers.

Vettel seems to be able to drive the car on the limit any time of the race.

So, it is about the drivers? Because Vettel makes the difference, is what you just said.

[SteBrown91]

Red Bull can design a car that in the hands of Vettel can go fast and look after the tyres
Vettel has learnt to drive fast and look after the tyres
Red Bull have put huge amounts of effort in to understand the tyres - and the results show

Most of the other teams (bar lotus and Force india) havent bothered.

Red Bull are in a class of their own and almost everyone else has been caught napping.

If you want to blame anyone blame the other teams. Vettel and RB have done it, so everyone else should.

[007 VXR]

Its not the tyres fault..... Who asked for them to be like this ?

[rdjohn]

007 VXR said:

Its not the tyres fault..... Who asked for them to be like this ?

Certainly not me; was it you, or any other race fan?

[007 VXR]

rdjohn said:

007 VXR said:

Its not the tyres fault..... Who asked for them to be like this ?

Certainly not me; was it you, or any other race fan?

the teams and fia did ....

[PhillipM]

SteBrown91 said:

Red Bull can design a car that in the hands of Vettel can go fast and look after the tyres
Vettel has learnt to drive fast and look after the tyres
Red Bull have put huge amounts of effort in to understand the tyres - and the results show

Most of the other teams (bar lotus and Force india) havent bothered.

Red Bull are in a class of their own and almost everyone else has been caught napping.

If you want to blame anyone blame the other teams. Vettel and RB have done it, so everyone else should.

Apart from their car wasn't the best on the tyres until they got changed because they kept exploding, in fact RB was quite outspoken about them at the time, and everyone who actually designed cars around the 2013 tyres got royally shafted in the switch.

It's also far easier to look after the car and tyres when you have so much pace in the car you're in clear air most of the race...

[Jungles]

Tyres, tyres, tyres. Yes, it is a shame they have to drive on egg shells.

That said, there's plenty of skill in managing the tyres. Drivers still need to find the limit of grip and drive to that limit. It's just that the time-frame they have consider is longer (over the course of each stint) rather than on a per-lap basis. They also need to be sensitive about behavioural changes of the car as a result of tyre wear, and adapt accordingly.

If RB's supposed dominance is a problem... keep in mind that until Spa, RB was neither the outright fastest (Mercedes) or the best at tyre management (Lotus and Ferrari). Even so, Vettel and RB still topped the WDC and WCC ladder by dogged consistency and damage recovery.

[rdjohn]

It seems like a dose of common sense may be about to break out!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111657

I presumes there is a mistake as if you specify a limit on one tyre, then the other compound has to complete the race. As written, there a a 20% credibility gap!.

[Chrisgr31]

rdjohn said:

007 VXR said:

Its not the tyres fault..... Who asked for them to be like this ?

Certainly not me; was it you, or any other race fan?

I think you will find it was effectively the fans who asked for them. If you think back to 2012 there was a race that season (Canada I think) where tyre choice was critical and ability to drive on the right tyres at the right time etc. This apparently made for a very exciting race (albeit I think it was the one that went on for hours) and therefore made the teams, the FIA etc sit up and take note. They wanted to engender exciting racing and felt the tyres would do it.

However they forgot that there was limited time for teams to practise, therefore teams were unable to dial their cars in to the tyres thereforefore the teams tried other solutions, but some teams were doing very well on the new tyres. However others weren't and how they were running the tyres helped cause the delaminationse etc seen at Silverstone or where ever it was.

This lead to the changes to the tyres in the middle of the season which Pirelli did say would favour Red Bull.

So ultimately the tryes did come from the fans, just not with the intended result!

[andyps]

rdjohn said:

It seems like a dose of common sense may be about to break out!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111657

I presumes there is a mistake as if you specify a limit on one tyre, then the other compound has to complete the race. As written, there a a 20% credibility gap!.

I noticed that - on the basis I presume they would really like cars to be able to do more than 80% of the race I guess it means that no single tyre set can do more than 50%/30% of the race so it will mean 1 set of prime and 2 sets of options as a minimum.

I don't like mandatory pitstops though, less regulation would be better - why shouldn't they be allowed to do no stops if it suits?

[rdjohn]

I agree that for purity of the race, non-stopping would be best. The drivers all now have ERS & DRS to spice things up. Managing the fuel next year will be difficult enough.

Edited by rdjohn on Friday 29th November 17:28

[P-Jay]

Pearoast Shirley?

[PhillipM]

rdjohn said:

It seems like a dose of common sense may be about to break out!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111657

I presumes there is a mistake as if you specify a limit on one tyre, then the other compound has to complete the race. As written, there a a 20% credibility gap!.

Where's the common sense there?!

We have deliberately degrading tyres that the drivers can't push to the limit without compromising themselves, in the name of varying race strategies and mixing up the running order a little, and then we take away the only bit of varied strategy allowed?

So we now have fixed strategies on st tyres and the poor bds that went through all the hassle of making the tyres last ages on the Renault, etc, get kicked in the nuts as they HAVE to pit even if their tyres can twice as far?

What. The. fk.

[rdjohn]

But hopefully we don't get rubbish races like Monaco, Monza and Austin, or complaints from the likes of Lewis that he can't drive any slower. Hopefully the tyres will also be properly tested and durable so that debacles like Silverstone don't happen again.

Managing fuel and fragile power trains will be hard enough next year.

[VolvoT5]

andyps said:

I noticed that - on the basis I presume they would really like cars to be able to do more than 80% of the race I guess it means that no single tyre set can do more than 50%/30% of the race so it will mean 1 set of prime and 2 sets of options as a minimum.

I don't like mandatory pitstops though, less regulation would be better - why shouldn't they be allowed to do no stops if it suits?

Mandatory pitstops will kill teams like Lotus that are perhaps not the fastest outright but have learned how to make the tyres last.
I don't want to see more mandatory stops - 1 is enough.....keeping going down that route and we will be in a situation where all cars have to stop on predetermined laps X, Y and Z.

Edited by VolvoT5 on Saturday 30th November 11:38

[zac510]

gaz1234 said:

Boring.

All about tyres now and not the drivers.

Vettel seems to be able to drive the car on the limit any time of the race. Everyone else cant.

What a contradiction! You just said it's not about the drivers then suggested that one driver can do it better than all of the other drivers on the grid. It's precisely more about the drivers! But just not in the way that you want it.

[gaz1234]

zac510 said:

What a contradiction! You just said it's not about the drivers then suggested that one driver can do it better than all of the other drivers on the grid. It's precisely more about the drivers! But just not in the way that you want it.

No.

[zac510]

gaz1234 said:

No.

Yes.