Todt - considering a world motorsport engine again....

[350Matt]

I thought this nonsense had died a death years ago

a formula 1 engine is for formula 1
WRC cars need a WRC engine

never the twain will meet



what we have is how it should be
are they deliberately trying to kill all interest in motorsport?

[anonymous-user]

350Matt said:

I thought this nonsense had died a death years ago

a formula 1 engine is for formula 1
WRC cars need a WRC engine

never the twain will meet



what we have is how it should be
are they deliberately trying to kill all interest in motorsport?

I really thought Todt would be a breath of fresh air when becoming the President but alas he is useless.

[Vocal Minority]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

350Matt said:

I thought this nonsense had died a death years ago

a formula 1 engine is for formula 1
WRC cars need a WRC engine

never the twain will meet



what we have is how it should be
are they deliberately trying to kill all interest in motorsport?

I really thought Todt would be a breath of fresh air when becoming the President but alas he is useless.

Ari Vatanen was the far superior choice in my opinion. Equals my disappointed at other recent vote results.

But there we go. We have what we have - hopefully he is just opening his mouth and making noise for want of something better to do.

[anonymous-user]

Vocal Minority said:

Ari Vatanen was the far superior choice in my opinion. Equals my disappointed at other recent vote results.

But there we go. We have what we have - hopefully he is just opening his mouth and making noise for want of something better to do.

Totally agree but I expected better from Todt.

Unfortunately for Ari he is not French

[rdjohn]

Vocal Minority said:

But there we go. We have what we have - hopefully he is just opening his mouth and making noise for want of something better to do.

Given he now has very little involvement in F1, I think it unlikely that he woke up one morning and had a eureka moment.

He was probably trying to diplomatically answer a journo’s question. I think he is happy to let the Liberty team come up with outline regs for 2021, which the FIA will adopt.

As an aside, if the engines could also be used in WEC, then that would also be a good outcome, but I doubt he is going to tell the ACO what their regs should be either.

[Vocal Minority]

WEC runs to FIA regs - though granted those have been cooked up in tandem with the ACO.

To be honest the WEC regs are starting to be bent into some sort of useful shape already.

[2fast748]

It won't happen, VAG will insist it is an inline 4 and everyone else will go borrrrrrring!

[//j17]

TVR Moneypit said:

Late 80's to very early 90's, Groups C, Toyota, Nissan, Porsche, Jaguar, Mercedes, Peugeot, Spice, etc = fantastic racing and full grids.

Then the FIA decide to enforce 3.5 ltr F1 engines on the WEC and most manufacturers leave because of costs.

And now the FIA want to do the same thing again? Didn't they learn last time?

It depends if they do want to do the same thing, or the opposite. The Gibson LMP2 engine is quite happy pushing out 650BHP for €1250 per hour and the LMP1 version will be looking at 750BHP. Last time I checked there hadn't been a failure in any of the production engines and if that's changed it's still well ahead of Honda F1 engine levels of reliability.

So how about taking the proven, reliable, cheap WEC engine and forcing F1 teams to use it, or at least the core elements of it.* They would then have free reign over any liquids that went in to it or hybrid systems, etc that bolted to it. Like LMP2 the engines would have to be returned to Gibson on an exchange basis for servicing/rebuilds and another random, sealed engine sent out.

• Because Ferrari would throw their toys out the the param, as usual.

[99dndd]

I wouldn't be a fan of it at an F1/LMP1 level as these are meant to be cutting edge prototypes but I could see it working at an LMP2/F2 level.

[StevieBee]

350Matt said:

are they deliberately trying to kill all interest in motorsport?

I very much doubt that anybody bar the most nerdy anorak cares who makes what engine.

IIRC, The Cosworth DVF engine (and derivatives thereof) could be found in F1, F3000, IndyCars, SportsCars and others and I don't recall much in the way of negativity then.

[C Lee Farquar]

Not a huge fan of Todt, from what I know of him, but he has unparalleled experience in rally and F1. I admire his lack of interference since taking up the position.

[Oldwolf]

But what if.....

They put 950hp F1 engines in rally cars?

Pure fantasy but a thought that cheers me up.