Mini race instead of qualifying 2020
Mini race instead of qualifying 2020
Author
Discussion

The Moose

Original Poster:

23,527 posts

231 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
Just read that Liberty are planning on trying a mini sprint race on Saturday instead of qualifying.

Interesting idea, but I usually find Q3 rather exciting!

What say you?

Ultuous

2,278 posts

213 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
Sounds ste...






... unless they're actually going to be flying round in BMC's finest! biggrin

Sixpackpert

5,042 posts

236 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
Will they relax the engine allotments?

Could be good...better than the Monza fiasco...

Turbotechnic

675 posts

98 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
I really like the idea of a sprint race as qualifying. Would be more exciting than the current format.

tight fart

3,385 posts

295 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
In what order is the grid decided for the sprint race?

tuffer

8,948 posts

289 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
tight fart said:
In what order is the grid decided for the sprint race?
Grid order will be set by a 3 lap "micro race" on Friday afternoon.

Deesee

8,509 posts

105 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
They have been looking at this for a few weeks.

3/4 races per year (on tracks that are not overtaking friendly)..

Reverse championship order...


poosemon

319 posts

221 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
Not greatly keen on this if i'm honest. Monaco will be a bit of a 'mare unless something can be done to improve overtaking opportunities around there (unlikely). Same goes to a few other circuits on the grid i.e Hungary.

Even if grid was decided by race on Saturday, don't think we would of seen that much of a change at Monza for instance?

Does this help with the cost cuts, or could increased revenue from racing on the Saturday and extra coverage/sponsorship help to cover this off?

Will draw more conclusions when we here more definitive information as opposed to speculation.

jb2410

432 posts

133 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
Not convinced. Qualifying always strikes me as something that generally works pretty well as is.

The mess of the elimination rounds last time it was messed with is ample proof it should be left alone imo.

scrw.

3,041 posts

212 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
I much prefered the 1 lap qually we used to have, got some good wildcard grids with them.

anonymous-user

76 months

Friday 13th September 2019
quotequote all
Ultuous said:
Sounds ste...






... unless they're actually going to be flying round in BMC's finest! biggrin
I think a sprint race to decide pole where all the drivers are driving exactly the same car sounds amazing. Put them all in a new Mini and see who comes out on top. At least that way we would really know who is best.

SmoothCriminal

5,754 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
Sounds like a fking stupid idea especially in f1 when cars can't even follow each other closely.

Sky were saying it's going to be 4 tracks where you can "overtake"

E34-3.2

1,014 posts

101 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
Qualifying format is fine as it is. Not sure why they feel the need to change it?

What they can do to avoid the Monza problem is to send the cars at interval (like rally) for those specific tracks which towing is an issue. Format is still the same but we avoid a traffic jam.

dr_gn

16,715 posts

206 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
tuffer said:
tight fart said:
In what order is the grid decided for the sprint race?
Grid order will be set by a 3 lap "micro race" on Friday afternoon.
How do they decide the order for the micro race?

mattikake

5,103 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
Many other series are doing sprint races now and generally it works well - creates entertainment and still the best teams drivers generally come out on top.

Only thing against it is tradition and tight tracks. But liberty have already said they would have standard quali and race at Monaco etc. which in a way will make Monaco even more of a special occasion.

Gets my vote (and I prefer tradition) as long as it's weighted in time, points and spectacle as very much a secondary thing to the main race.

mattikake

5,103 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
tight fart said:
In what order is the grid decided for the sprint race?
Reverse championship order. Full grid reversed.

anonymous-user

76 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
Daft idea I think. I would go with:

Q1 - unchanged
Q2 - unchanged
Q3 - top 10 drivers do a 1 lap shootout, consisting of out lap, flying lap, in lap. Clear track, no traffic.

The running order of Q3 is the tricky bit. I think you’d have to order the Q3 running based on the Q2 results.
Perhaps give whoever is fastest in Q2 the power to decide whether to run standard order or reverse order and go either first or last respectively. Let’s say it rained in Q2 and it’s a drying track then whoever runs last in Q3 will likely be the fastest. However on a dry track with rain starting then whoever goes first is likely to be fastest. On a dry track then with the track rubbering in then whoever goes last might be fastest. This might be interesting because they could decide, based on weather and track conditions whether to ‘stick or twist’, and they might get it wrong which would lead to some interesting top ten orders.

Or you could just say Q3 running is dictated by Q2 order, but then you might get teams trying to go the slowest in Q2 in order to run last in Q3, which has the potential to be another st show.

Thoughts?

Kraken

1,710 posts

222 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
As far as entertainment for the masses go qualifying is a big issue for motorsport IMO. What other sport goes to such lengths to give the best competitors an even bigger advantage? To be fair most other series don't have the issues F1 does with the cars but still.

Personally I'd ditch it entirely and go for more racing with grids set in reverse championship order for the first one and the results of the first one for the second one. Ditch DRS first of course.

StevieBee

14,725 posts

277 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
FP1 and FP2 on Friday. Sprint Qualifying on Saturday morning. Qualifying race Saturday afternoon - one set out tyres. Same amount of fuel in each car for a balls-out 30 lap race to decide the grid for Sunday's race.

Problem is that the qualifying race could well end up being more exciting than the actual race.

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

89 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
quotequote all
It just goes to show you'll never satisfy everyone. Knockout round qualifying is probably the best thing F1s done in years, I mean just look at how many other motorsport series even including bikes rushed to adopt it, even series where there's a bit of an inferiority complex and they would hate themselves to admit f1 had a good idea and copy it.

But no, its F1, as usual brings a gun to a knife fight and manages to shoot itself in both feet with 1 round. Hey why don't we try timed knockout qualifying again?laughjesterbangheadredcardthumbup