Hamilton to Ferrari. Looking More Likely ...
Hamilton to Ferrari. Looking More Likely ...
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vdn

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9,225 posts

225 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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With talk of Mercedes considering options and Toto a key to the whole shebang... it seems
Lewis has had informal chats about a move to Ferrari. Being played down somewhat I think.

Funny how they have painted it as: Ferrari are flattered that Hamilton wants to drive for them...

In any case; it makes sense on some levels; if Mercedes pull out or go back to being an engine supplier / partner; Hamilton needs to consider the next best option, car wise.

Hamilton and Leclerc would be a good match up. Leclerc has generally bettered Vettel; and so is certainly a talent.

Link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50755301

HighwayStar

4,824 posts

166 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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vdn said:
With talk of Mercedes considering options and Toto a key to the whole shebang... it seems
Lewis has had informal chats about a move to Ferrari. Being played down somewhat I think.

Funny how they have painted it as: Ferrari are flattered that Hamilton wants to drive for them...

In any case; it makes sense on some levels; if Mercedes pull out or go back to being an engine supplier / partner; Hamilton needs to consider the next best option, car wise.

Hamilton and Leclerc would be a good match up. Leclerc has generally bettered Vettel; and so is certainly a talent.

Link:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50755301
Hmmm... Take a look at this.

"Mercedes will be in Formula 1 “for the long-term” if it is able to reduce the contribution from parent company Daimler, according to team principal Toto Wolff."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-daimle...

Steamer

14,096 posts

235 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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Mind games 101.

Lewis will be loving this.. he's got his nearest rivals (Charles & Seb) on the ropes, and what better way to rattle them (probably more Seb. than Charles) going into the winter break.

Also this plays out well for Ferrari as it will send a message to their drivers - pull your socks up we are talking to other drivers.

And also to Merc, if they are 'ummming & arrring' about leaving / staying - one of their key components is talking to our nearest rival, we'd better make our minds up / keep Lewis sweet.

Still can't see it happening. I think Lewis would be more likely to head back to Mclaren with the Merc engine 'if' Merc do leave the sport. Would'nt that be some crazy statistic that he returns and wins them their first WCC since 1998?

StevieBee

14,719 posts

277 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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Hamilton will have had informal chats with other teams throughout his career. There were some rumours about Red Bull (which I would see as a near perfect fit) a few years ago.

This has already been reported as a non-story but I'd be surprised if something solid hadn't started to be formed.

Hamilton winning a championship in a third team would place him as a genuine GOAT - I can't recall any driver achieving this in the modern era (or before come to that - thought I'm sure there has been).

NAS

2,567 posts

253 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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StevieBee said:
Hamilton will have had informal chats with other teams throughout his career. There were some rumours about Red Bull (which I would see as a near perfect fit) a few years ago.

This has already been reported as a non-story but I'd be surprised if something solid hadn't started to be formed.

Hamilton winning a championship in a third team would place him as a genuine GOAT - I can't recall any driver achieving this in the modern era (or before come to that - thought I'm sure there has been).
Fangio managed it smile


Evangelion

8,308 posts

200 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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Strictly speaking, Fangio was 4.

Muzzer79

12,607 posts

209 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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Contract renewal guide - Chapter 1, page 1.

1. Talk to other people and see how valued you are

2. Make that value public

3. Use that value to negotiate a better contract.


I think he's looking at an option to cover off the possibility of several key members of Mercedes leaving.

Plus, Ferrari will have given him a blank cheque and told him to fill the numbers in himself. Those numbers won't be small.

But I think the chances of him leaving are about where Toto places them - 25%.

SturdyHSV

10,334 posts

189 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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Muzzer79 said:
But I think the chances of him leaving are about where Toto places them - 25%.
Toto probably has the best idea of almost anyone whose surname isn't Hamilton, and he seems to have been fairly transparent when talking about it, so I'm inclined to agree with you.

Kev_Mk3

3,368 posts

117 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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IF your at the top of F1 like Hamilton, Vettel was, Alonso was etc a move to Ferrari is accepting your career is over.

If you start there like Leclerc at Ferrari, you've not reached potential yet but you will always be number 2 at Ferrari so need to move.


That's just my view.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

132 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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Eddie Jordan thinks so:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/formula-one/lewis...

I detest EJ with a passion, but he's right more often than he's wrong.

TheDeuce

30,850 posts

88 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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JonChalk said:
Eddie Jordan thinks so:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/formula-one/lewis...

I detest EJ with a passion, but he's right more often than he's wrong.
That's a close call. Maybe right 51% of the time... ? smile

JonChalk

6,469 posts

132 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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TheDeuce said:
JonChalk said:
Eddie Jordan thinks so:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/formula-one/lewis...

I detest EJ with a passion, but he's right more often than he's wrong.
That's a close call. Maybe right 51% of the time... ? smile
Yeah - I carefully didn't put a figure on it wink

sparta6

4,170 posts

122 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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JonChalk said:
Eddie Jordan thinks so:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/formula-one/lewis...

I detest EJ with a passion, but he's right more often than he's wrong.
"Lewis would only go to Ferrari if someone could protect him against any possibility that Charles Leclerc could usurp him. So Ferrari would bring Toto along too.”

Really ??

TheDeuce

30,850 posts

88 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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sparta6 said:
"Lewis would only go to Ferrari if someone could protect him against any possibility that Charles Leclerc could usurp him. So Ferrari would bring Toto along too.”

Really ??
My god, what is EJ on about smile

Of all Toto's speculated future plans I'm pretty certain going to sort out Ferrari's internal squabbles isn't one of them!! Least of all he's not going to go there to give Lewis an unfair advantage by squashing another driver - not really his character is it!?

Anyway, apparently Ferrari have threatened to veto a potential move by Toto to become the CEO of F1 - which looking at his career to date, would be much more the sort of sideways and upwards step he has taken before, as opposed to moving to another team to start the TP role afresh. Of all the rumors I find the F1 CEO the most believable, and the Ferrari TP roll the least.

Evangelion

8,308 posts

200 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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I recently came across this entry in my 1988 diary:

"The McLaren winning machine groans boringly on."

In other words, anything that brings to a halt the run of predictable Mercedes front rows, fastest laps, 1-2 finishes etc, gets my vote.

Doink

1,675 posts

169 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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Why would Lewis go to Ferrari where he wouldn't get equal treatment, why would Ferrari give Lewis a $50m+ per year contract at 36 years old when CLC is clearly their man long term? Why would Lewis turn his back on the loyalty he's been spouting recently even having it tattoo'd on his wrist along with other close team members? Why would Lewis walk away from a machine that is Merc F1 to the incompetence that is Ferrari?

IF Merc walk away then fair enough I could see it but as Toto says the F1 program only costs Daimler 30m and if that could be reduced then.......then if Toto signs a new contract then Lewis won't be far behind. Ferrari could just be mischief making as well to destabilize merc for next year?

Muzzer79

12,607 posts

209 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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JonChalk said:
Eddie Jordan thinks so:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/formula-one/lewis...

I detest EJ with a passion, but he's right more often than he's wrong.
A broken watch tells the time correctly twice a day......

HustleRussell

26,025 posts

182 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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I imagine that Hamilton speaking to Ferrari is simply gamesmanship. It is also absolutely typical of any Formula 1 driver anywhere on the grid. The only reason these particular conversations get column inches is the juicy combination of most renowned and talked about driver and the most historic marquee team in the sport.

I fail to see what Ferrari have to gain. If they are going to make any change to their driver selection strategy it will surely to be to revert to their more comfortable and familiar number 1 and number 2 driver position.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

103 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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Is Hamilton popular in Italy?

TheDeuce

30,850 posts

88 months

Monday 16th December 2019
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sgtBerbatov said:
Is Hamilton popular in Italy?
Not so long as he's driving a Mercedes that's beating their Ferrari he's not!

If he went to Ferrari, that would change of course.