F1 2021 rules delayed by a year?
Discussion
Makes some sense: https://youtu.be/sWozunEK6iI
The teams are very likely to lose out financially this year, for some teams critically so. It would give them some respite if they could run their 2020 cars next year.
Just pondering, not sure I'm a fan of the idea yet... I can see issues as well as benefits, not least for those teams who have already poured massive resources in to their 2021 car.
Discuss
The teams are very likely to lose out financially this year, for some teams critically so. It would give them some respite if they could run their 2020 cars next year.
Just pondering, not sure I'm a fan of the idea yet... I can see issues as well as benefits, not least for those teams who have already poured massive resources in to their 2021 car.
Discuss
I think it's far too early to say. Either this will all blow over in the next few weeks and we can get back to normality and have most of a restructured 2020 season, or it will drag on for months and people will be more concerned with the basic functions of survival than to worry about something as frivolous as F1.
The money has already been spent on 2021, before the cost cap comes in. That is why the teams have/had parallel developments, because this year they can spend as many billions as they like on 21 and from 21, they cannot. If you delay by another year, then some might spend billions in 21 for 22. The idea is to cost cap and try level the sport asap. That cannot be delayed. That sends out totally the opposite message from the one that Ross Brawn has spent so much effort on.
It would be a PR disaster. Fans are supposed to be excited about 2021, and the promised land (finally).
Most of the teams will want to reduce costs asap because of the effects of Corona on the economy. Finding sponsors for 2021 is going to be very tough. I'd be demanding a free deal if I was a sponsor, because I will not have had much value for money from this year's sponsorship.
Mercedes were under pressure anyway, with falling sales and redundancies in the road car factories. Imagine the effect by next year. Ferrari have closed at the moment, so for once, there might be pressure to reduce costs there. Red Bull will want to reduce costs too, because their sales are bound to have hit the floor with bars etc closing, and it's probably not a product on most people's panic buy at the supermarket list. They will be very worried about Honda exiting without much warning.
Renault will be gone by next year. Haas too probably. And I would not be too confident about Alfa-Romeo being there. FCA are in shut down and post merger with PSA, there has been a cancellation of many of the promised new Alfas. PSA are also in shut-down and there will be demands for costs savings there too.
The mid-field and back-markers have been demanding the levelling of the playing field for so long, that they will want it to happen asap. Stroll must be kicking himself for flushing money he could have used as bog-roll, into the Aston-Martin toilet, just before the stock market collapsed and the share price and sales figures went from bad to disaster.
2020 are just stop-gap cars. There won't be much racing this year, and there won't be much excitement as Mercedes run away with what will be left of the season, whether or not the Red Bull protest of the Merc steering system is successful or not. There will be absolutely no point in wasting money developing a 20 car to try and catch up with Merc, with what will be left of the season. 2020 and the cars are almost a write-off already.
It would be a PR disaster. Fans are supposed to be excited about 2021, and the promised land (finally).
Most of the teams will want to reduce costs asap because of the effects of Corona on the economy. Finding sponsors for 2021 is going to be very tough. I'd be demanding a free deal if I was a sponsor, because I will not have had much value for money from this year's sponsorship.
Mercedes were under pressure anyway, with falling sales and redundancies in the road car factories. Imagine the effect by next year. Ferrari have closed at the moment, so for once, there might be pressure to reduce costs there. Red Bull will want to reduce costs too, because their sales are bound to have hit the floor with bars etc closing, and it's probably not a product on most people's panic buy at the supermarket list. They will be very worried about Honda exiting without much warning.
Renault will be gone by next year. Haas too probably. And I would not be too confident about Alfa-Romeo being there. FCA are in shut down and post merger with PSA, there has been a cancellation of many of the promised new Alfas. PSA are also in shut-down and there will be demands for costs savings there too.
The mid-field and back-markers have been demanding the levelling of the playing field for so long, that they will want it to happen asap. Stroll must be kicking himself for flushing money he could have used as bog-roll, into the Aston-Martin toilet, just before the stock market collapsed and the share price and sales figures went from bad to disaster.
2020 are just stop-gap cars. There won't be much racing this year, and there won't be much excitement as Mercedes run away with what will be left of the season, whether or not the Red Bull protest of the Merc steering system is successful or not. There will be absolutely no point in wasting money developing a 20 car to try and catch up with Merc, with what will be left of the season. 2020 and the cars are almost a write-off already.
LucyP said:
The money has already been spent on 2021, before the cost cap comes in. That is why the teams have/had parallel developments, because this year they can spend as many billions as they like on 21 and from 21, they cannot. If you delay by another year, then some might spend billions in 21 for 22. The idea is to cost cap and try level the sport asap. That cannot be delayed. That sends out totally the opposite message from the one that Ross Brawn has spent so much effort on.
It would be a PR disaster. Fans are supposed to be excited about 2021, and the promised land (finally).
Most of the teams will want to reduce costs asap because of the effects of Corona on the economy. Finding sponsors for 2021 is going to be very tough. I'd be demanding a free deal if I was a sponsor, because I will not have had much value for money from this year's sponsorship.
Mercedes were under pressure anyway, with falling sales and redundancies in the road car factories. Imagine the effect by next year. Ferrari have closed at the moment, so for once, there might be pressure to reduce costs there. Red Bull will want to reduce costs too, because their sales are bound to have hit the floor with bars etc closing, and it's probably not a product on most people's panic buy at the supermarket list. They will be very worried about Honda exiting without much warning.
Renault will be gone by next year. Haas too probably. And I would not be too confident about Alfa-Romeo being there. FCA are in shut down and post merger with PSA, there has been a cancellation of many of the promised new Alfas. PSA are also in shut-down and there will be demands for costs savings there too.
The mid-field and back-markers have been demanding the levelling of the playing field for so long, that they will want it to happen asap. Stroll must be kicking himself for flushing money he could have used as bog-roll, into the Aston-Martin toilet, just before the stock market collapsed and the share price and sales figures went from bad to disaster.
2020 are just stop-gap cars. There won't be much racing this year, and there won't be much excitement as Mercedes run away with what will be left of the season, whether or not the Red Bull protest of the Merc steering system is successful or not. There will be absolutely no point in wasting money developing a 20 car to try and catch up with Merc, with what will be left of the season. 2020 and the cars are almost a write-off already.
Agree with all of this. Why extend a stop gap year and dead end cars. It would be a PR disaster. Fans are supposed to be excited about 2021, and the promised land (finally).
Most of the teams will want to reduce costs asap because of the effects of Corona on the economy. Finding sponsors for 2021 is going to be very tough. I'd be demanding a free deal if I was a sponsor, because I will not have had much value for money from this year's sponsorship.
Mercedes were under pressure anyway, with falling sales and redundancies in the road car factories. Imagine the effect by next year. Ferrari have closed at the moment, so for once, there might be pressure to reduce costs there. Red Bull will want to reduce costs too, because their sales are bound to have hit the floor with bars etc closing, and it's probably not a product on most people's panic buy at the supermarket list. They will be very worried about Honda exiting without much warning.
Renault will be gone by next year. Haas too probably. And I would not be too confident about Alfa-Romeo being there. FCA are in shut down and post merger with PSA, there has been a cancellation of many of the promised new Alfas. PSA are also in shut-down and there will be demands for costs savings there too.
The mid-field and back-markers have been demanding the levelling of the playing field for so long, that they will want it to happen asap. Stroll must be kicking himself for flushing money he could have used as bog-roll, into the Aston-Martin toilet, just before the stock market collapsed and the share price and sales figures went from bad to disaster.
2020 are just stop-gap cars. There won't be much racing this year, and there won't be much excitement as Mercedes run away with what will be left of the season, whether or not the Red Bull protest of the Merc steering system is successful or not. There will be absolutely no point in wasting money developing a 20 car to try and catch up with Merc, with what will be left of the season. 2020 and the cars are almost a write-off already.
As you all know I am pretty much disenchanted with the current version of F1. However, the brief glimpses of what the 2021 cars might look like filled me with a bit of optimism because they could be the best looking F1 cars for over 20 years.
I hope they don't delay their introduction.
I hope they don't delay their introduction.
I heard that in the rules you only have to run 8 or more races for it to be declared a world championship.
Barring absolute disaster I think they can manage that. I think they will run as many rescheduled races as they can probably running on late and into next year.
Its all PPV and subscription now anyway. Those bleak winter months are hard to fill with anything useful so races then will be welcomed.
They just have to all work harder as at the end of the day they wont get paid otherwise.
Barring absolute disaster I think they can manage that. I think they will run as many rescheduled races as they can probably running on late and into next year.
Its all PPV and subscription now anyway. Those bleak winter months are hard to fill with anything useful so races then will be welcomed.
They just have to all work harder as at the end of the day they wont get paid otherwise.
kiseca said:
I just remember 1 month ago feeling that the popular opinion was that nothing could stop Lewis walking to his 7th title. I certainly felt he was the stand out favourite this year. If they do drop the 2020 season and go to the 2021 cars, that just might do it.
I've been thinking the very same thing. Although I started this thread, I don't actually expect them to delay 2021 rules change.. so yea, he still has at least as good of a shot as anyone else in 2021... But far less secure than this season.Makes it all the more significant he spoke up in Australia - his words played a big part in the decision (via added pressure) to cancel I imagine. He must have known that.
As ever, fingers remain crossed this season is salvageable still. Albeit, as of today it's hard to see F1 going ahead anytime soon, or soon enough to qualify as a championship season.
You can't really run much later than they do already. It runs until the very end of November. Hardly anymore than 3 weeks before Christmas, by the time a final test is done, and everyone has packed up and got home. And you cannot continue after Xmas into 2021 with the 2020 season, because the teams have to get ready for the big changes for 21, and there is a limit on where you can go. For example, you cannot run most places in Europe in November because it will be too cold and it will be dark.
LucyP said:
You can't really run much later than they do already. It runs until the very end of November. Hardly anymore than 3 weeks before Christmas, by the time a final test is done, and everyone has packed up and got home. And you cannot continue after Xmas into 2021 with the 2020 season, because the teams have to get ready for the big changes for 21, and there is a limit on where you can go. For example, you cannot run most places in Europe in November because it will be too cold and it will be dark.
There's no reason (that I know of) other than tradition why a season has to be contained within a calendar year so it's possible that the season could straddle Christmas if the championship doesn't start until the middle of Summer. That of course would impact on the 21/22 season but a lot of sports are going to find their calendars out of kilter that will take a few years to rectify. skinny said:
LucyP said:
you cannot run most places in Europe in November because it will be too cold and it will be dark.
Sounds entertaining! But the lack of daylight at euro circuits with no lighting in place might make things a tad dangerous - not that we'd ever see the accident, in the dark we'd see sod all
What's really weird however, is that the sport itself has made a few comments about potentially extending the season. How that can be done practically is anyone's guess. I wouldn't rule anything out though, the reality is that rights worth hundreds of millions have been sold to show F1 in 2020... If they can find a way to honour that commitment, whatever the solutions on the table are, they will be considered. Needs must.
TheDeuce said:
skinny said:
LucyP said:
you cannot run most places in Europe in November because it will be too cold and it will be dark.
Sounds entertaining! But the lack of daylight at euro circuits with no lighting in place might make things a tad dangerous - not that we'd ever see the accident, in the dark we'd see sod all
StevieBee said:
TheDeuce said:
skinny said:
LucyP said:
you cannot run most places in Europe in November because it will be too cold and it will be dark.
Sounds entertaining! But the lack of daylight at euro circuits with no lighting in place might make things a tad dangerous - not that we'd ever see the accident, in the dark we'd see sod all
What's really interesting is that the teams are also potentially (likely imo) to lose significant funds due to the non running in terms of sponsor payments. So for the first time in a long time, they're also perhaps incentivesed to agree some changes and crack on.
The headlines at present are all about the sport being 'cancelled' and when it might resume. Behind closed doors however, I envisage a world of lawyers scrutinising agreements and trying desperately to give the teams and liberty an indication of the fiscal loss they're facing. Anything that's established could change in order to limit that loss.
No one is scrutinising anything at the moment, because no one knows what is going to happen, and it took Hamilton to speak out to warn them of the danger of putting money before safety. They won't make that mistake twice in the same year.
Anything and everything is being said at the moment, and day by day it changes and it makes what was said yesterday look foolish.
Yes it's fun to debate on here and come up with fun solutions, but practicality is different. TV schedules are God in televised motorsport, hence the time races start, hence the change to 10 past the hour. If you start early so that you can finish early, there will be a protest from the TV companies. Seasons are seasons, weather is weather, and you cannot change that. The calendar is set out as it is to take advantage of world weather as best it can. There are already complaints about Japan being held at the wrong time, and the schedule was disrupted by weather last year, and it was in part weather in Japan and prioritising the race taking place, and continuing (i.e. money) that contributed to Jules Bianchi's fatal accident in 2014. That is one of former F1 doc, Gary Hartstein's favourite soapbox topics.
Street circuits take months of planning, so you cannot just phone Monaco, Baku or Singapore on a Monday and ask them to have the circuit ready by Thursday.
You can ask Pirelli to change the tyre compounds, but that has to be paid for and they have to be tested by the teams and agreed on, and that will cause arguments about in-season testing, unfair advantages, and will the teams agree to the new tyres. They rejected the 2020 tyres, hence the 2019 spec are being used this year.
Anything and everything is being said at the moment, and day by day it changes and it makes what was said yesterday look foolish.
Yes it's fun to debate on here and come up with fun solutions, but practicality is different. TV schedules are God in televised motorsport, hence the time races start, hence the change to 10 past the hour. If you start early so that you can finish early, there will be a protest from the TV companies. Seasons are seasons, weather is weather, and you cannot change that. The calendar is set out as it is to take advantage of world weather as best it can. There are already complaints about Japan being held at the wrong time, and the schedule was disrupted by weather last year, and it was in part weather in Japan and prioritising the race taking place, and continuing (i.e. money) that contributed to Jules Bianchi's fatal accident in 2014. That is one of former F1 doc, Gary Hartstein's favourite soapbox topics.
Street circuits take months of planning, so you cannot just phone Monaco, Baku or Singapore on a Monday and ask them to have the circuit ready by Thursday.
You can ask Pirelli to change the tyre compounds, but that has to be paid for and they have to be tested by the teams and agreed on, and that will cause arguments about in-season testing, unfair advantages, and will the teams agree to the new tyres. They rejected the 2020 tyres, hence the 2019 spec are being used this year.
thegreenhell said:
Apparenty the teams have almost-unanimously voted to postpone the 2021 rules until 2022, with agreed limits on further developing this year's cars to run again next year.
I suggested this quite a while back on another thread. People said it couldn't happen. Got a link to this new info?
I think that's a bit of a shame, in so much as stability in rules tends to help teams with smaller budgets more than it does the top teams. So if they could continue development, it could benefit the midfield etc more than it does Merc, Red Bull and Ferrrari. I don't know why, diminishing returns perhaps, but I first heard of it when I read that opinion from Paul Stoddart years ago, and it has stuck with me.
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