Mr Brown is very worried
Mr Brown is very worried
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Great Dane

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188 months

Kraken

1,710 posts

222 months

Sunday 5th April 2020
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All motorsport from the top to the bottom is in big trouble. At every level a lot is spent over winter in preparation and now there is nothing come in. In MotoGP the promoter is paying out millions to keep the privateer teams afloat.

henrycrun

2,473 posts

262 months

Sunday 5th April 2020
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Change the rules. One single driver is responsible for loading one truck, driving to the circuit, prepping the car, and racing the car.
Pack up the truck and drive to the next event.

anonymous-user

76 months

Sunday 5th April 2020
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I think Horner’s right on this one, don’t impose a plain budget cap, which will still be more than the small teams want, but reduce the cost of going racing.

Cut costs by removing things that don’t add value, like travelling all over the planet for too many races, with vastly elaborate hospitality and resources to places that don’t really have an appetite for F1 in any case.

It might be inevitable in any case.

Eric Mc

124,663 posts

287 months

Sunday 5th April 2020
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This might be "the great reckoning" that was always bound to come.

Derek Smith

48,529 posts

270 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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REALIST123 said:
I think Horner’s right on this one, don’t impose a plain budget cap, which will still be more than the small teams want, but reduce the cost of going racing.

Cut costs by removing things that don’t add value, like travelling all over the planet for too many races, with vastly elaborate hospitality and resources to places that don’t really have an appetite for F1 in any case.

It might be inevitable in any case.
Without the hospitality, F1 would not have a purpose.

Horner's missing one point I think. The smaller teams would like to spend more to be able to compete with the big teams. However, with some teams running a budget many times bigger, they have no opportunity to get on even terms, which means they lack the sponsorship necessary to up their budgets.

I'd not like to have to go to a potential sponsor and suggest that the battle for the 'best of the rest' is really the car to be on.

Reducing budgets to an attainable level for most would level the playing field to an extent. It might give us closer racing, that's always assuming that the teams abide by the limits. But even if they don't, they'll have to pay a bit more than lip-service.

If F1 wants to attract manufacturer teams, it has to visit emerging markets. In the post virus world, these might be anywhere. If it doesn't want to attract manufacturers, then F1 as we know it will probably end, with a crated engine and limited aero.

Whatever, I think we've seen over recent seasons the golden age of F1. They'll be writing about the last few years when we're watching identical cars running around the circuits. That said, I enjoyed the Tuscan Challenge.

CanAm

12,658 posts

294 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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henrycrun said:
Change the rules. One single driver is responsible for loading one truck, driving to the circuit, prepping the car, and racing the car.
Pack up the truck and drive to the next event.
Google Bob Anderson. This is what he did back in the 60s. Just him, 2 mechanics and his F1 Brabham on the back of a VW pick-up.
He managed 3rd place in the Austrian GP and even won a non-championship race (remember them?) IIRC

Ah, happy days........

Eric Mc

124,663 posts

287 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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The Tyrell F1 team in 1971 - ALL of it (and they were World Champions).



I just realised there is one very important person missing, Ken's wife Nora, who provided all the catering - on her own.

hunter 66

4,190 posts

242 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Used to race with Frankie Gomm ( he had Piquets RT1) , and he told me the story when they traveled to the Italian GP in 76 at Monza towing the March 761 behind a Fort Transit . It broke down close to the circuit and some locals helped get it to the event .......

BrettMRC

5,416 posts

182 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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It would make sense to look at the following:

  • All team equipment, cars and spares are transported by the F1G under FIA supervision
  • All team staff are transported by the team
  • Team and factory are limited to say... 30 at the race and 200 in the factory.
  • Supply chains are subject to transparency
  • All engines must meet minimum HP/Torque requirements set by the F1G and supervised by the FIA

Just idle thoughts...

Eric Mc

124,663 posts

287 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Would you need an army to enforce all that?

BrettMRC

5,416 posts

182 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Quite possibly! hehe

covboy

2,593 posts

196 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Eric Mc said:
The Tyrell F1 team in 1971 - ALL of it (and they were World Champions).



I just realised there is one very important person missing, Ken's wife Nora, who provided all the catering - on her own.
She probably took the photo biggrin

sparta6

4,153 posts

122 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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hunter 66 said:
Used to race with Frankie Gomm ( he had Piquets RT1) , and he told me the story when they traveled to the Italian GP in 76 at Monza towing the March 761 behind a Fort Transit . It broke down close to the circuit and some locals helped get it to the event .......
True sporting spirit !




Eric Mc

124,663 posts

287 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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covboy said:
She probably took the photo biggrin
Knowing Ken and how tight he was, you are probably right.

Andy 308GTB

3,011 posts

243 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Eric Mc said:
covboy said:
She probably took the photo biggrin
Knowing Ken and how tight he was, you are probably right.
I think it was Julian Bailey who recounted walking past the magnificent Ferrari and Mclaren F1 team facilities, with fully staffed kitchens, he arrived at the Tyrell garage to hear Nora shouting 'Cheese or Ham' at various members of the team.

CanAm

12,658 posts

294 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Eric Mc said:
Knowing Ken and how tight he was, you are probably right.
Yet Jackie Stewart never thought it necessary to have a contract. They were gentlemen in those days.

In fact I believe Rob Walker's passport showed his occupation as 'Gentleman'

Stan the Bat

9,606 posts

234 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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covboy said:
Eric Mc said:
The Tyrell F1 team in 1971 - ALL of it (and they were World Champions).



I just realised there is one very important person missing, Ken's wife Nora, who provided all the catering - on her own.
She probably took the photo biggrin
At the woodyard ?

Great Dane

Original Poster:

2,851 posts

188 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Alistair Caldwell shared this on FB.... that was the whole McLaren travelling team in 1976



CanAm

12,658 posts

294 months

Monday 6th April 2020
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Now they have almost twice as many for one car’s pit stop!