AWS fastest ever

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Article setting it out

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.hamilto...

Nb only data from 1983 onwards was used in this..

[thegreenhell]

This is as accurate as their other algorithms for tyre life and percentage chance of overtaking, isn't it?

Kovalainen at number 8

And where's Mika Hakinnen, the man who out-qualified Senna in his first race as teammates?

[sgtBerbatov]

What's to discuss? It's all a load of bullshine.

[stemll]

If that's the output from Rom Smedley's new job and it's taken a year, I think he needs to go back to what he used to do

[Polite M135 driver]

I reckon it probably hasn't been developed to take into account the differing fuel loads from the era when they had to qualify with race fuel onboard.

[callyman]

No Mansell?

[HardtopManual]

The model is clearly broken just from the time spread. More than half are current drivers. Lando Norris has only done one and a bit seasons!

[Polite M135 driver]

I didn't realise Fisichella had rebranded either.

[Dr Z]

HardtopManual said:

The model is clearly broken just from the time spread. More than half are current drivers. Lando Norris has only done one and a bit seasons!

I was just about make that comment. A lot of these models over the years that have tried to rate drivers have suffered from a recency bias of sorts. It would be interesting to hear more about the actual algorithm used.

For my money, I prefer this model & it's results :

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2019/11/22/the-f1m...

^Even that has some 'weird' names in the top 20, but at least you can see why this might be so.

[Deesee]

HardtopManual said:

The model is clearly broken just from the time spread. More than half are current drivers. Lando Norris has only done one and a bit seasons!

Yes against one team mate, the team mate (Carlos Sainz) is bench marked against Max, Kyvat, Palmer & Hulk...

[Deesee]

uptheraidillon said:

Pinch of salt. The model treats M Schmacher's time at Mercedes differently.

However according to this, Rosberg was his closest team mate...

[anonymous-user]

callyman said:

No Mansell?

Mansell always had fast team mates, de Angelis, Piquet, Prost... even Boutsen wasn’t shabby so doesn’t get the credit he deserves from this analysis.

[The Moose]

ash73 said:

thegreenhell said:

Kovalainen at number 8

Someone's already updated his wiki page...

Wikipedia said:

Heikki Johannes Kovalainen (Finnish pronunciation: [?heikki ?ko??l?inen]; born 19 October 1981) is a Finnish racing driver. He is the 8th fastest driver ever and raced in Formula One between 2007 and 2013 for the Renault, McLaren, Team Lotus and Lotus F1 teams, scoring a single victory at the 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix. Since then he has raced in the Japanese Super GT series, where he won the championship in 2016.

Last Updated By: HKovalaninen1981

[Dr Z]

[thegreenhell]

Dr Z said:

Hilarious.

Smedley and co. really need to show their working out to explain this one.

[SturdyHSV]

thegreenhell said:

Hilarious.

Smedley and co. really need to show their working out to explain this one.

I wonder if Lewis' record against various teammates means HK's record against Lewis thus bumped him up much higher.

Likewise Charles repeatedly beating a now useless Seb in a car he doesn't like means Charles looks even better overall because of Seb's previous record against teammates and then what those teammates have done etc.

I think it's an admirable idea and they've no doubt spent a lot of time balancing things out to try and make sensible numbers, but I think the size of the pinch of salt this should be taken with would be pretty hazardous to your health.

[DanielSan]

From the company that are paying to advertise via the bullst tyre wear calculator... what more needs to be said?

[Exige77]

Surprised Maldonado is not right up there

They cannot be serious !!!

[Polite M135 driver]

I'd quite like an AWS tyre wear display for my road car though. Do enough roundabouts and the left front will be down to 10 % before the inside rear is at 50 % I reckon.

[thegreenhell]

SturdyHSV said:

I wonder if Lewis' record against various teammates means HK's record against Lewis thus bumped him up much higher.

Likewise Charles repeatedly beating a now useless Seb in a car he doesn't like means Charles looks even better overall because of Seb's previous record against teammates and then what those teammates have done etc.

I think it's an admirable idea and they've no doubt spent a lot of time balancing things out to try and make sensible numbers, but I think the size of the pinch of salt this should be taken with would be pretty hazardous to your health.

Yes, very probably true, but by the same method of three degrees of separation we're all related to the Queen of England, but that doesn't make any of us eighth in line to the throne.