Hypothetical Situation
Hypothetical Situation
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Flooble

Original Poster:

5,600 posts

116 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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The final three races are a triple header. Someone testing Covid positive at Race 1 could easily miss all three races.

If Hamilton had to sit out the final three races, Bottas would have a clear run at hoovering up 78 points.

If he won the Championship like that no doubt he'd do the same as he did after the Russian GP, however, I do wonder what other people's opinions would be (especially when it became clear what would be happening in Abu Dhabi)?

miniman

28,408 posts

278 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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There would still be a second Merc driver wouldn’t there? I reckon George would give Bottas a run for his money. He nearly had the Williams in the points and had made fewer mistakes in the last 2 seasons than Vettel...

Monkeylegend

27,817 posts

247 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.

TheDeuce

29,028 posts

82 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Monkeylegend said:
Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.
Even if it's the only way possible? smile

Nickp82

3,625 posts

109 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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miniman said:
There would still be a second Merc driver wouldn’t there? I reckon George would give Bottas a run for his money. He nearly had the Williams in the points and had made fewer mistakes in the last 2 seasons than Vettel...
I think all drivers fall in to the ‘fewer mistakes than Vettel’ category don’t they? smile

Monkeylegend

27,817 posts

247 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.
Even if it's the only way possible? smile
He would never be recognised as the true champion so what would be the point. I am sure he would get no satisfaction from winning in this way.

thegreenhell

20,012 posts

235 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Currently 85 point gap with four races to go. Ham will likely wrap up the championship before we get to that point. He only needs to finish second in Turkey with fastest lap and he can sit out the last three races.

TheDeuce

29,028 posts

82 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Monkeylegend said:
TheDeuce said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.
Even if it's the only way possible? smile
He would never be recognised as the true champion so what would be the point. I am sure he would get no satisfaction from winning in this way.
He'd get the title though!

And to be fair, if Lewis was out of it... Shouldn't he win? It would be right and he's arguably still held a strong 2nd this season and also his previous racing career is what lead him to ending up in the car to have that opportunity...

He would be the correct person to win under such circumstances - even if he wished the circumstances were different. Which granted, I'm sure he would.

Exige77

6,523 posts

207 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.
Even if it's the only way possible? smile
If Bottas was just racing by himself, he’d still hit someone else’s debris, Flat spot his tyres or outbreak himself into the chicane and need to give himself the place back smile

Monkeylegend

27,817 posts

247 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Monkeylegend said:
TheDeuce said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.
Even if it's the only way possible? smile
He would never be recognised as the true champion so what would be the point. I am sure he would get no satisfaction from winning in this way.
He'd get the title though!

And to be fair, if Lewis was out of it... Shouldn't he win? It would be right and he's arguably still held a strong 2nd this season and also his previous racing career is what lead him to ending up in the car to have that opportunity...

He would be the correct person to win under such circumstances - even if he wished the circumstances were different. Which granted, I'm sure he would.
Agreed, he is next in line, but not an ideal way of being crowned champion, snatching the title away from it's rightful owner, the guy who has won nine out of twelve races so far and blown away Schumacher's records.

He would be champion in name only, not because he is the fastest, most consistent driver of this or the last few seasons.

I think if Lewis made a big mistake and crashed out and was unable to finish the season it would be different.

I very much doubt either scenarios will happen though smile


Derek Smith

47,769 posts

264 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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Monkeylegend said:
Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.
I am.

TheDeuce

29,028 posts

82 months

Monday 2nd November 2020
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I suppose he could take the trophy but dedicate it to Lewis to nullify any bad vibes/karma smile

Would be a bit odd, but he'd still have the title and the correct person would still have the recognition!

Joking aside, I really don't think he would accept the title without being very clear that on merit it was going to be Lewis's without such bizarre circumstances. I do agree he's there to beat Lewis, not to hang on to his coat tails. The Finns don't seem keen to take unwarranted praise - if it was only won by default I think that would be his primary feeling and comment.

But overall the same cool logic would give him the right to feel proud that he was the person close enough to Lewis's score to take it. Someone has to...

StevieBee

14,277 posts

271 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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It would be 1976 all over again.

Nobody denied Hunt his title that year but.... but.... if Lauda hadn't had his accident and bailed out of the last race....

ch37

10,642 posts

237 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Championships have been changed by deaths before now, if not directly in all cases then certainly indirectly.

It would feel odd, but really it's no different to Hamilton sitting out the first 3 races and then playing catch up (although that would have been more exciting!)

Monkeylegend

27,817 posts

247 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Losing out to your nearest competitor as a result of mechanical failures, poor team tactics/orders, or accidents during the racing weekend is all part of the sport.

To not be able to race due to covid is another matter altogether and I would imagine any driver with a sense of fair play would feel a bit uncomfortable being crowned champion under those circumstances, especially when your opponent is so far ahead in the standings.

If this does happen and Bottas becomes champion he will never be regarded as the true champion so why would you want to win under those circumstances.

I can just imagine the comments being posted on here in the "Does Bottas deserve to be the WDC " thread smile

Mark-C

6,722 posts

221 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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ch37 said:
Championships have been changed by deaths before now, if not directly in all cases then certainly indirectly.

It would feel odd, but really it's no different to Hamilton sitting out the first 3 races and then playing catch up (although that would have been more exciting!)
If Jacky Ickx had won Italy in 1970 (he was on pole) he'd have taken the championship from Jochen Rindt despite having two podiums to Rindt's five wins at the time of the latter's death.

Muzzer79

12,223 posts

203 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Monkeylegend said:
Not sure Bottas would want to become world champion in that way so hopefully it won't happen.
Of course it would happen. Bottas wouldn't hesitate.

World Championships don't come along easily. If you have the chance to get one, you take it.

If Lewis crashed and broke his legs in Turkey, do you think Bottas would deliberately not go for the title? Of course he wouldn't. Same principle with Covid.

Monkeylegend

27,817 posts

247 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Muzzer79 said:
Of course it would happen. Bottas wouldn't hesitate.

World Championships don't come along easily. If you have the chance to get one, you take it.

If Lewis crashed and broke his legs in Turkey, do you think Bottas would deliberately not go for the title? Of course he wouldn't. Same principle with Covid.
I agree with the broken leg analogy.

Covid is different altogether, it is not an outcome as a result of racing.

In my humble opinion of course smile

I am not saying Bottas would refuse to accept the ultimate prize, but I can imagine it would not sit too comfortably.

ch37

10,642 posts

237 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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By all accounts Lewis has been extremely careful, typically remaining at circuits in his motorhome, and I think, only travelling back to Monaco generally. His bubble seems to have consisted of Angela for most of the season.

Other drivers, not so much. Plenty of examples knocking around on social media, just one would be Ricciardo and Verstappen regularly travelling on private planes together (I still don't understand how that's allowed under the FIA bubble rules, but there you go).

I think, if he caught it you'd just put it down to appalling bad luck and Bottas picking up the championship would indeed feel very hollow. However if Lewis was partying all the time, had a wide-bubble of about 60 people and was still travelling around the world for fun, then absolute fair game for anyone who is able to take advantage of his poor judgement and grab a load of points from the situation.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

243 months

Tuesday 3rd November 2020
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Lewis will win the title at the next race so long as Valteri doesn't outscore him by more than 7 points so I think the final 3 races will be irrelevant for the championship.