Andrea Moda - The Movie!
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For those who have not read it, this is a good book from one of their drivers.
https://www.perrymccarthy.co.uk/autobiography-book
https://www.perrymccarthy.co.uk/autobiography-book
Pflanzgarten said:
Looks great, typically Italian nuts. 
I'm not spending £17 on it though.
In-depth review here - https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the-other-f1-un...
It sounds fascinating. Some real characters of the like we'll never see in F1 again.
It sounds fascinating. Some real characters of the like we'll never see in F1 again.
Edited by thegreenhell on Thursday 16th November 11:14
2 hours 17 Minutes eh? Were it truer to its subject matter , it would last 7 minutes (including 4 minutes of white noise and 2 minutes black screen ) . Not really worth the rent fee but I 'd love to see it.
Like every Italian name , Andre Moda sounds so much cooler than anything in English (I think Andrea Fashion ?) . In period I recall seeing the car potter round Silverstone to a chorus of ironic cheers - I couldn't have liked it more, so much more fun that 2023's homogenous field.
Coming soon , a double header - 'LIfe W12 - Where ambition meets reality ' and 'Eifelland -Wtf is THAT ? '
Like every Italian name , Andre Moda sounds so much cooler than anything in English (I think Andrea Fashion ?) . In period I recall seeing the car potter round Silverstone to a chorus of ironic cheers - I couldn't have liked it more, so much more fun that 2023's homogenous field.
Coming soon , a double header - 'LIfe W12 - Where ambition meets reality ' and 'Eifelland -Wtf is THAT ? '
520TORQUES said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Looks great, typically Italian nuts. I'm not spending £17 on it though.
The early 90's really was a crazy time in F1, until they passed the Concorde agreement half the grid was filled with no hopers who just wanted to drive around and get their sponsors on camera. Can't help but wonder what today's social media generation would make of it, if Ferrari become a meme for messing up pit stops, imagine the reaction to Life asking to borrow a tyre pump because they forgot to bring one.
Well that is one , very cynical way of looking at it but the reality was that there were very few real jokes like Andrea Moda. Let alone half the grid ..
Until the recent closed shop cartel , and going back to pre war Grand Prix racing , subject to getting an entry ,you could turn up and have a go . Many teams started off with hopelessly uncompetitive cars they built themselves , or often had bought from established teams. Frank Williams was a good example - he ran De Tomaso, Iso , Wolf and March cars before setting up Williams Grand Prix Engineering . People like him weren't frivolous dilettantes , but serious racers trying to make it . And often facing tragedy in the process .
I really don't care too much what social media would have made of an earlier era - I suspect many of its over excitable posters' knowledge doesn't go back very much before Drive to Survive , which is responsible for the daft tribalism which has turned F1 into a soap opera for some
Until the recent closed shop cartel , and going back to pre war Grand Prix racing , subject to getting an entry ,you could turn up and have a go . Many teams started off with hopelessly uncompetitive cars they built themselves , or often had bought from established teams. Frank Williams was a good example - he ran De Tomaso, Iso , Wolf and March cars before setting up Williams Grand Prix Engineering . People like him weren't frivolous dilettantes , but serious racers trying to make it . And often facing tragedy in the process .
I really don't care too much what social media would have made of an earlier era - I suspect many of its over excitable posters' knowledge doesn't go back very much before Drive to Survive , which is responsible for the daft tribalism which has turned F1 into a soap opera for some
coppice said:
Well that is one , very cynical way of looking at it but the reality was that there were very few real jokes like Andrea Moda. Let alone half the grid ..
Until the recent closed shop cartel , and going back to pre war Grand Prix racing , subject to getting an entry ,you could turn up and have a go . Many teams started off with hopelessly uncompetitive cars they built themselves , or often had bought from established teams. Frank Williams was a good example - he ran De Tomaso, Iso , Wolf and March cars before setting up Williams Grand Prix Engineering . People like him weren't frivolous dilettantes , but serious racers trying to make it . And often facing tragedy in the process .
I really don't care too much what social media would have made of an earlier era - I suspect many of its over excitable posters' knowledge doesn't go back very much before Drive to Survive , which is responsible for the daft tribalism which has turned F1 into a soap opera for some
Just to correct a bit of that info, for the geeks. Until the recent closed shop cartel , and going back to pre war Grand Prix racing , subject to getting an entry ,you could turn up and have a go . Many teams started off with hopelessly uncompetitive cars they built themselves , or often had bought from established teams. Frank Williams was a good example - he ran De Tomaso, Iso , Wolf and March cars before setting up Williams Grand Prix Engineering . People like him weren't frivolous dilettantes , but serious racers trying to make it . And often facing tragedy in the process .
I really don't care too much what social media would have made of an earlier era - I suspect many of its over excitable posters' knowledge doesn't go back very much before Drive to Survive , which is responsible for the daft tribalism which has turned F1 into a soap opera for some
Williams bought the Hesketh team cars (308C) when that team folded at the end of 1975 and then built one chassis themselves to the same design, which they labelled as FW05, The original Heskeths have now been reverted to Hesketh 308C spec and livery, with the only new chassis FW05-03 still racing in it's Wolf spec. Wolf bought into the original Williams Racing team and then fired Frank as team manager mid season.
The March 761 they modified and then ran in 1977, was the first Williams GP Engineering entry, it wasn't a Williams racing entry from the previous team bought by Walter Wolf. It was the arrival of Patrick Head that turned the team into a serious engineering enterprise and it was Patrick who modified that March 761 to improve it whilst they found the time to build the first WGPE car, the FW06.
As you say, it was common for teams to buy customer cars back then, March whole business plan was based on that concept, with the first March cars being sold to many teams and that practice continued for many years. Tyrrell ran a March 701 for Jackie Stewart in 1970 until Tyrrell built their own car, after losing the Matra's they previously ran.
F1 is a very different sport now, although in recent years the buying in of components has expanded and there are now FIA mandated fixed components used on every car.
CT05 Nose Cone said:
Imagine the reaction to Life asking to borrow a tyre pump because they forgot to bring one.
They weren't the only ones to do that.Ligier had good years and bad years and 1988 when they were running the dreadful JS31 was a particularly large s
t show. Not only did they forgot their tyre gauges for one weekend but they also; Worked out an improved set of gear ratios for the cars for one race and then left them back at the factory.
Let one of the cars out for practice at Monaco without putting the rear brake ducts on.
Introduced new body work for the car which supposedly made it more aerodynamic but had basically screwed up the cooling so it fried the engines on both cars.
There's more but my notes on that car aren't at work.
I love terrible F1 cars and have heard good reviews about this film already so may well blow the £17.00.
The Hypno-Toad said:
They weren't the only ones to do that.
Ligier had good years and bad years and 1988 when they were running the dreadful JS31 was a particularly large st show. Not only did they forgot their tyre gauges for one weekend but they also;
Worked out an improved set of gear ratios for the cars for one race and then left them back at the factory.
Let one of the cars out for practice at Monaco without putting the rear brake ducts on.
Introduced new body work for the car which supposedly made it more aerodynamic but had basically screwed up the cooling so it fried the engines on both cars.
There's more but my notes on that car aren't at work.
I love terrible F1 cars and have heard good reviews about this film already so may well blow the £17.00.
Guy Liger once threw out a cigarette packet that had the car's setup written on the back of it.Ligier had good years and bad years and 1988 when they were running the dreadful JS31 was a particularly large s
t show. Not only did they forgot their tyre gauges for one weekend but they also; Worked out an improved set of gear ratios for the cars for one race and then left them back at the factory.
Let one of the cars out for practice at Monaco without putting the rear brake ducts on.
Introduced new body work for the car which supposedly made it more aerodynamic but had basically screwed up the cooling so it fried the engines on both cars.
There's more but my notes on that car aren't at work.
I love terrible F1 cars and have heard good reviews about this film already so may well blow the £17.00.
The Hypno-Toad said:
They weren't the only ones to do that.
Ligier had good years and bad years and 1988 when they were running the dreadful JS31 was a particularly large st show. Not only did they forgot their tyre gauges for one weekend but they also;
Worked out an improved set of gear ratios for the cars for one race and then left them back at the factory.
Let one of the cars out for practice at Monaco without putting the rear brake ducts on.
Introduced new body work for the car which supposedly made it more aerodynamic but had basically screwed up the cooling so it fried the engines on both cars.
There's more but my notes on that car aren't at work.
I love terrible F1 cars and have heard good reviews about this film already so may well blow the £17.00.
Oh I love the backmarkers to, when I first got F1 1995 on the original Playstation I spent a half term winning Simtek the title, and more recently when I noticed Panini released a model of the Forti FG01 you can bet I bought that to sit alongside the Pacific, Larousse and Minardi (now just need the holy grails of Mastercard Lola and the Caterham CT05). I'm under no illusions that come raceday you'd only see them when they were getting lapped about 1/4 into the race, but Brits are just wired to cheer on the underdog.Ligier had good years and bad years and 1988 when they were running the dreadful JS31 was a particularly large s
t show. Not only did they forgot their tyre gauges for one weekend but they also; Worked out an improved set of gear ratios for the cars for one race and then left them back at the factory.
Let one of the cars out for practice at Monaco without putting the rear brake ducts on.
Introduced new body work for the car which supposedly made it more aerodynamic but had basically screwed up the cooling so it fried the engines on both cars.
There's more but my notes on that car aren't at work.
I love terrible F1 cars and have heard good reviews about this film already so may well blow the £17.00.
CT05 Nose Cone said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
They weren't the only ones to do that.
Ligier had good years and bad years and 1988 when they were running the dreadful JS31 was a particularly large st show. Not only did they forgot their tyre gauges for one weekend but they also;
Worked out an improved set of gear ratios for the cars for one race and then left them back at the factory.
Let one of the cars out for practice at Monaco without putting the rear brake ducts on.
Introduced new body work for the car which supposedly made it more aerodynamic but had basically screwed up the cooling so it fried the engines on both cars.
There's more but my notes on that car aren't at work.
I love terrible F1 cars and have heard good reviews about this film already so may well blow the £17.00.
Oh I love the backmarkers to, when I first got F1 1995 on the original Playstation I spent a half term winning Simtek the title, and more recently when I noticed Panini released a model of the Forti FG01 you can bet I bought that to sit alongside the Pacific, Larousse and Minardi (now just need the holy grails of Mastercard Lola and the Caterham CT05). I'm under no illusions that come raceday you'd only see them when they were getting lapped about 1/4 into the race, but Brits are just wired to cheer on the underdog.Ligier had good years and bad years and 1988 when they were running the dreadful JS31 was a particularly large s
t show. Not only did they forgot their tyre gauges for one weekend but they also; Worked out an improved set of gear ratios for the cars for one race and then left them back at the factory.
Let one of the cars out for practice at Monaco without putting the rear brake ducts on.
Introduced new body work for the car which supposedly made it more aerodynamic but had basically screwed up the cooling so it fried the engines on both cars.
There's more but my notes on that car aren't at work.
I love terrible F1 cars and have heard good reviews about this film already so may well blow the £17.00.
My collection of heroic failures. A Lotus 80 has recently been added as well.
520TORQUES said:
Just to correct a bit of that info, for the geeks.
Williams bought the Hesketh team cars (308C) when that team folded at the end of 1975 and then built one chassis themselves to the same design, which they labelled as FW05, The original Heskeths have now been reverted to Hesketh 308C spec and livery, with the only new chassis FW05-03 still racing in it's Wolf spec. Wolf bought into the original Williams Racing team and then fired Frank as team manager mid season.
The March 761 they modified and then ran in 1977, was the first Williams GP Engineering entry, it wasn't a Williams racing entry from the previous team bought by Walter Wolf. It was the arrival of Patrick Head that turned the team into a serious engineering enterprise and it was Patrick who modified that March 761 to improve it whilst they found the time to build the first WGPE car, the FW06.
As you say, it was common for teams to buy customer cars back then, March whole business plan was based on that concept, with the first March cars being sold to many teams and that practice continued for many years. Tyrrell ran a March 701 for Jackie Stewart in 1970 until Tyrrell built their own car, after losing the Matra's they previously ran.
F1 is a very different sport now, although in recent years the buying in of components has expanded and there are now FIA mandated fixed components used on every car.
Serves me right doing a sloppy short cut of an answer , gambling that nobody would correct me . You were right to do so . Can I plead in mitigationWilliams bought the Hesketh team cars (308C) when that team folded at the end of 1975 and then built one chassis themselves to the same design, which they labelled as FW05, The original Heskeths have now been reverted to Hesketh 308C spec and livery, with the only new chassis FW05-03 still racing in it's Wolf spec. Wolf bought into the original Williams Racing team and then fired Frank as team manager mid season.
The March 761 they modified and then ran in 1977, was the first Williams GP Engineering entry, it wasn't a Williams racing entry from the previous team bought by Walter Wolf. It was the arrival of Patrick Head that turned the team into a serious engineering enterprise and it was Patrick who modified that March 761 to improve it whilst they found the time to build the first WGPE car, the FW06.
As you say, it was common for teams to buy customer cars back then, March whole business plan was based on that concept, with the first March cars being sold to many teams and that practice continued for many years. Tyrrell ran a March 701 for Jackie Stewart in 1970 until Tyrrell built their own car, after losing the Matra's they previously ran.
F1 is a very different sport now, although in recent years the buying in of components has expanded and there are now FIA mandated fixed components used on every car.
that I am of such advanced years that I saw the Politoys FX 3 at Brands ?
CT05 Nose Cone said:
Oh I love the backmarkers to, when I first got F1 1995 on the original Playstation I spent a half term winning Simtek the title
I know it had tragic history but that Simtek 1994 car was one of my all time best looking F1 cars. It was great seeing MTV and the youth market of the 1990s get into F1 as well.I absolutely enjoyed the film, very well done by enthusiastic people, and amazingly they got a lot of the guys who made it happen (or not) in front of the camera with lots of inside stories etc.
Although Sassetti comes around as a real dhead back then (and in a smaller scale today as well), it gives an interesting insight to a fascinating era of F1, never to be seen again.
Nightclubs, mystery wealth founded on a poker game, cash money around, probably money laundering as well and whatnot behind the scenes, what's not to like?
Although Sassetti comes around as a real d
head back then (and in a smaller scale today as well), it gives an interesting insight to a fascinating era of F1, never to be seen again. Nightclubs, mystery wealth founded on a poker game, cash money around, probably money laundering as well and whatnot behind the scenes, what's not to like?
Joey Deacon said:
For those who have not read it, this is a good book from one of their drivers.
https://www.perrymccarthy.co.uk/autobiography-book
Perry has a great sense of humour and needed it for that shttps://www.perrymccarthy.co.uk/autobiography-book
tbox. Quite a good driver in his day. Iirc he used to do a lot of after dinner speeches and was in demand by some big companies. Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff