Has someone broken the cost cap in 2024?
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Am interesting piece by The Race:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-cost-cap-de...
It had passed me by that the FIA hadn’t announced the compliance results yet and these are now very late, has someone been at the catering budget again?
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-cost-cap-de...
It had passed me by that the FIA hadn’t announced the compliance results yet and these are now very late, has someone been at the catering budget again?
Two teams didn't fully comply with the cost cap.
Aston Martin was a procedural issue, so they didn't overspend.
Someone else (who hasn't even been rumoured in the paddock), overspent - I believe the wording was a serious breach or something like that.
Lots of fans saying maybe Williams as Toto mentioned they were close to the cap and then had a lot of crashes at the end of the season.
When it was Red Bull it was rumoured in the paddock immediately, the fact it hasn't been makes me believe it's likely not them this time.
Aston Martin was a procedural issue, so they didn't overspend.
Someone else (who hasn't even been rumoured in the paddock), overspent - I believe the wording was a serious breach or something like that.
Lots of fans saying maybe Williams as Toto mentioned they were close to the cap and then had a lot of crashes at the end of the season.
When it was Red Bull it was rumoured in the paddock immediately, the fact it hasn't been makes me believe it's likely not them this time.
KernowSid said:
I think Aston have just announced it was them.
I have just read that article this morning, that does genuinely appear to be a procedural issue.Looks like another team is involved though. Given that Ross Brawn said when the rules were announced that is you break them you will lose your championship and the the first team to break them, Red Bull, did not, it will be interesting to see what happens if it is not McLaren for the WCC or Red Bull with the WDC.
Megaflow said:
Looks like another team is involved though. Given that Ross Brawn said when the rules were announced that is you break them you will lose your championship and the the first team to break them, Red Bull, did not, it will be interesting to see what happens if it is not McLaren for the WCC or Red Bull with the WDC.
Whoever it was, I guess they will have to stick with the precedence they set with Redbull the first time round; a reduced allowances for the year after next (so in this case 2026) but no impact to the season in which the transgression occurred. kambites said:
Whoever it was, I guess they will have to stick with the precedence they set with Redbull the first time round; a reduced allowances for the year after next (so in this case 2026) but no impact to the season in which the transgression occurred.
I believe the magnitude of the overspend dictates which set of punishments they choose from. Red Bulls £400k was inside the lower cap, so more lenient, a bigger overspend (I can't remember the exact number) would result in sporting penalties, i.e impact results. jimmsy said:
kambites said:
Whoever it was, I guess they will have to stick with the precedence they set with Redbull the first time round; a reduced allowances for the year after next (so in this case 2026) but no impact to the season in which the transgression occurred.
I believe the magnitude of the overspend dictates which set of punishments they choose from. Red Bulls £400k was inside the lower cap, so more lenient, a bigger overspend (I can't remember the exact number) would result in sporting penalties, i.e impact results. The Race said:
The scale of punishments for a cost cap breach depend exactly on what the offence is.
If it is a procedural breach such as a late submission, or failing to respond to requests for information then a team will be given a financial penalty only.
If it is for late and then non-submission of cost cap documents entirely, then a team can have constructors championship points deducted.
If there is a minor overspend breach, which counts as less than 5% over the cost cap limit, then a team may impose a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalties.
The FIA classifies minor sporting penalties as a public reprimand, deduction of constructors or drivers championship points, suspension from races, limitation on aero or other testing or a reduction of future cost cap.
If there is a material breach, which is busting the cost cap by more than 5%, then a team will be docked constructors championship points, plus it may also get a financial penalty and a material sporting penalty.
The FIA rulebooks list the same punishment options as for a minor breach, but it does include the possibility of exclusion from the world championship.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-cost-cap-de...If it is a procedural breach such as a late submission, or failing to respond to requests for information then a team will be given a financial penalty only.
If it is for late and then non-submission of cost cap documents entirely, then a team can have constructors championship points deducted.
If there is a minor overspend breach, which counts as less than 5% over the cost cap limit, then a team may impose a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalties.
The FIA classifies minor sporting penalties as a public reprimand, deduction of constructors or drivers championship points, suspension from races, limitation on aero or other testing or a reduction of future cost cap.
If there is a material breach, which is busting the cost cap by more than 5%, then a team will be docked constructors championship points, plus it may also get a financial penalty and a material sporting penalty.
The FIA rulebooks list the same punishment options as for a minor breach, but it does include the possibility of exclusion from the world championship.
I've bolded the interesting bit...
jimmsy said:
The Race said:
The scale of punishments for a cost cap breach depend exactly on what the offence is.
If it is a procedural breach such as a late submission, or failing to respond to requests for information then a team will be given a financial penalty only.
If it is for late and then non-submission of cost cap documents entirely, then a team can have constructors championship points deducted.
If there is a minor overspend breach, which counts as less than 5% over the cost cap limit, then a team may impose a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalties.
The FIA classifies minor sporting penalties as a public reprimand, deduction of constructors or drivers championship points, suspension from races, limitation on aero or other testing or a reduction of future cost cap.
If there is a material breach, which is busting the cost cap by more than 5%, then a team will be docked constructors championship points, plus it may also get a financial penalty and a material sporting penalty.
The FIA rulebooks list the same punishment options as for a minor breach, but it does include the possibility of exclusion from the world championship.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-cost-cap-de...If it is a procedural breach such as a late submission, or failing to respond to requests for information then a team will be given a financial penalty only.
If it is for late and then non-submission of cost cap documents entirely, then a team can have constructors championship points deducted.
If there is a minor overspend breach, which counts as less than 5% over the cost cap limit, then a team may impose a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalties.
The FIA classifies minor sporting penalties as a public reprimand, deduction of constructors or drivers championship points, suspension from races, limitation on aero or other testing or a reduction of future cost cap.
If there is a material breach, which is busting the cost cap by more than 5%, then a team will be docked constructors championship points, plus it may also get a financial penalty and a material sporting penalty.
The FIA rulebooks list the same punishment options as for a minor breach, but it does include the possibility of exclusion from the world championship.
I've bolded the interesting bit...
Megaflow said:
jimmsy said:
The Race said:
The scale of punishments for a cost cap breach depend exactly on what the offence is.
If it is a procedural breach such as a late submission, or failing to respond to requests for information then a team will be given a financial penalty only.
If it is for late and then non-submission of cost cap documents entirely, then a team can have constructors championship points deducted.
If there is a minor overspend breach, which counts as less than 5% over the cost cap limit, then a team may impose a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalties.
The FIA classifies minor sporting penalties as a public reprimand, deduction of constructors or drivers championship points, suspension from races, limitation on aero or other testing or a reduction of future cost cap.
If there is a material breach, which is busting the cost cap by more than 5%, then a team will be docked constructors championship points, plus it may also get a financial penalty and a material sporting penalty.
The FIA rulebooks list the same punishment options as for a minor breach, but it does include the possibility of exclusion from the world championship.
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/fia-cost-cap-de...If it is a procedural breach such as a late submission, or failing to respond to requests for information then a team will be given a financial penalty only.
If it is for late and then non-submission of cost cap documents entirely, then a team can have constructors championship points deducted.
If there is a minor overspend breach, which counts as less than 5% over the cost cap limit, then a team may impose a financial penalty and/or minor sporting penalties.
The FIA classifies minor sporting penalties as a public reprimand, deduction of constructors or drivers championship points, suspension from races, limitation on aero or other testing or a reduction of future cost cap.
If there is a material breach, which is busting the cost cap by more than 5%, then a team will be docked constructors championship points, plus it may also get a financial penalty and a material sporting penalty.
The FIA rulebooks list the same punishment options as for a minor breach, but it does include the possibility of exclusion from the world championship.
I've bolded the interesting bit...
Megaflow said:
I have just read that article this morning, that does genuinely appear to be a procedural issue.
Looks like another team is involved though. Given that Ross Brawn said when the rules were announced that is you break them you will lose your championship and the the first team to break them, Red Bull, did not, it will be interesting to see what happens if it is not McLaren for the WCC or Red Bull with the WDC.
Rumour it is McLaren? Looks like another team is involved though. Given that Ross Brawn said when the rules were announced that is you break them you will lose your championship and the the first team to break them, Red Bull, did not, it will be interesting to see what happens if it is not McLaren for the WCC or Red Bull with the WDC.
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