Massa - 'Crashgate'
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Sounds like Felipe is fighting a losing battle... & strange to think that quite a few of the cast are still involved in F1.
BBC News - Mistakes not 'Crashgate' cost Massa title, court hears
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/cn0g28...
BBC News - Mistakes not 'Crashgate' cost Massa title, court hears
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/cn0g28...
Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 29th October 16:31
Hugo Stiglitz said:
This must be an expensive gamble for him. If he loses, what will the bill be? Madness.
He will find out pretty soon... I would imagine that Bernie & the FIA are well lawyered up.NB: According to Autosport, it could be decided by Friday (31/10) if a FULL inquiry is warranted...but it could also end there & then for Felipe.
Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 29th October 18:18
Milkyway said:
An out of court settlement crossed my mind too... £64m+ is loose change to them
But...would that be seen as some sort of guilty admittance & possibly open more cans of worms in the future.
(For the FIA).
It'd be a without prejudice offer with gagging order. But...would that be seen as some sort of guilty admittance & possibly open more cans of worms in the future.
(For the FIA).
Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 29th October 18:31
Surprised he's doing this. If he's desperate for a few quid, then I understand but otherwise...
hondajack85 said:
Odd how people act like its us and f1 against massa. Like if he wins we all lose. Im quite happy for him to get compo.
He had a great year while Kimi R was a bit a nonny mouse in the sister car.
Wouldn't the same apply to all the other drivers that year, if that were the case? They could all reasonably claim they'd been disadvantaged to varying degrees - including Hamilton?He had a great year while Kimi R was a bit a nonny mouse in the sister car.
hondajack85 said:
Odd how people act like its us and f1 against massa. Like if he wins we all lose. Im quite happy for him to get compo.
He had a great year while Kimi R was a bit a nonny mouse in the sister car.
It's not so much that we all lose. It's a couple of things. The first is that anyone with any knowledge of F1 knows that no race in history has been annulled because of a single team cheating.He had a great year while Kimi R was a bit a nonny mouse in the sister car.
We all recognise that it's a stupid, frivolous case, and anyone being objective also sees that it pales next to the daylight robbery of AD21 - so you'd have to review every single controversy in F1 and re-write the history books if you accept his arguments.
The second is the dignity he showed in Brazil in 2008 - that earned him a lot of respect and goodwill among fans. And now rather than coming across as a graceful loser, he comes across as being a rather bitter individual.
Why on earth would he deserve compensation?
A millionaire suing a billionaire and and a $multi-billion corporation over something which happened in a sporting event 17 years ago. The case is completely ridiculous, Massa is being very badly advised and the lawyers will be the only winners. Trebles all round, as Private Eye would say.
vaud said:
Nothingtoseehere said:
It'd be a without prejudice offer with gagging order.
Surprised he's doing this. If he's desperate for a few quid, then I understand but otherwise...
Apparently he is worth >$100m, so he's probably doing it on "principle"Surprised he's doing this. If he's desperate for a few quid, then I understand but otherwise...
I would also imagine a few doors in F1 have now been closed.
NH-0 said:
Well he's lost his reputation, even if he's successful he won't be regarded as a champion, whenever his name crops up in future people will only remember the court case and think he's a sore loser.
I would also imagine a few doors in F1 have now been closed.
90% of fans will not have heard of this issueI would also imagine a few doors in F1 have now been closed.
It is a strike out application by the defence, ie they say Massa's case is so legally weak it is bound to fail without having to examine the evidence in any detail at trial. Confident enough to ask the judge to end it now.
Problem for Massa will be the causation test. Onus is on Massa to prove on balance of probabilities that he would have won the championship BUT FOR the cheating.
In the Singapore crashgate race, Massa wasn't taken out or lost position following the crash. He pitted in the lead and could have contined his race. His dnf was caused by driving from the pits with the fuel hose attached. How can that incident be attributed to Briatore et al who had triggered the pit stop cycle by the Piquet crash? Alternatively, he has to show that FIA would have been obliged to annul the race ex post facto, and not adopt any of the possible alternatives such as let the result stand and dsq Beneton.
I suspect this will be the end of Massa's rather fanciful claim.
Problem for Massa will be the causation test. Onus is on Massa to prove on balance of probabilities that he would have won the championship BUT FOR the cheating.
In the Singapore crashgate race, Massa wasn't taken out or lost position following the crash. He pitted in the lead and could have contined his race. His dnf was caused by driving from the pits with the fuel hose attached. How can that incident be attributed to Briatore et al who had triggered the pit stop cycle by the Piquet crash? Alternatively, he has to show that FIA would have been obliged to annul the race ex post facto, and not adopt any of the possible alternatives such as let the result stand and dsq Beneton.
I suspect this will be the end of Massa's rather fanciful claim.
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