Redbull Best Rngine?

[JPC63]

Zero development and upgrades on the ADUO score.

Mercedes 2nd place with development hours and budget available.

Crikey.

[jules_s]

Fairplay to them if so

[Kawasaki90]

Like them or not, I’d have to say they’ve been the best team the last 16 years for me

[Jasandjules]

I guess that explains how they catch Ferrari on the straights but that also means their chassis can't be that great given the Mercs and Ferraris are romping along

[kambites]

It does amuse me that they've had to create a whole new category for how rubbish the Honda is.

I'm not particularly surprised by the results overall. It's pretty clear that Mercedes' advantage isn't really down to peak power, or teams like Mclaren and Williams would be right up there too. The Mercedes engine is obviously pretty good, but overall Mercedes are just doing the best job of understanding and using what they've got.

Edited by kambites on Monday 8th June 21:45

[Dog Biscuit]

[Big Nanas]

From what I read, it's just the ICE component that gets rated - and yes, this was a decision by the teams.

[R4EVS]

Red Bull engine is the best of the new era?!!

Well, I guess that's something else the ungracious Red Bull management will grudge Christian Horner doing for them.

[Mastodon2]

Clearly this points to a bright future for the rest of the year and next. When Mercedes seem to be able to pull a second a lap on the Ferrari cars and even more on the Red Bulls, I would suggest that giving them even more development scope to improve their clearly struggling car isn't going to help make for competitive racing.

Still, the teams did vote for this so the fans will have to live with it. Toto always talks about how much he loves playing fair, as long as everything is falling in his favour, of course.

[Muzzer79]

JPC63 said:

Zero development and upgrades on the ADUO score.

Mercedes 2nd place with development hours and budget available.

Crikey.

It's pretty damning

If the engine is that good, the chassis must be pretty bad....

But, AIUI, this is related to the engine and not the PU as a whole. So their deployment may be rubbish.

[JPC63]

I'm more surprised they can build a better engine in their first season with it!

[John D.]

Dog Biscuit said:

This nonsense is classic F1.

[jimmsy]

Mastodon2 said:

I would suggest that giving them even more development scope to improve their clearly struggling car isn't going to help make for competitive racing.

Still, the teams did vote for this so the fans will have to live with it. Toto always talks about how much he loves playing fair, as long as everything is falling in his favour, of course.

Even as a Red Bull fan I would say that the time to complain about/change the rules is before the impact is known.

Not saying you're suggesting that, but I know elsewhere people will be thinking it.

[Piginapoke]

Big Nanas said:

From what I read, it's just the ICE component that gets rated - and yes, this was a decision by the teams.

Madness with a roughly 50/50 ICE/electric split. All this will do is make the best car go even faster.

[andburg]

Said elsewhere this is potentially a great play by Mercedes.

If with the fuel flow allowed rbr have made 500bhp and merc are 2 to 4 per cent down that’s 10-20hp. The red bull is a not a rocket which either says their battery and motors are an issue or the merc side is vastly better.

The electrical side can only recover energy the ice has generated so to have a real world advantage based on electrical superiority and lower recovery limit from a weaker ice would be some going.

[hondajack85]

Red Bull looked the best Rngine on the quali lap overlay for monoco. Verstappen was constantly pulling out distance on antonelli apart from the slow corners.
Webber didn't clock it and decided it was something else like aero but the effeyee are not mugs.

[kambites]

Piginapoke said:

Big Nanas said:

From what I read, it's just the ICE component that gets rated - and yes, this was a decision by the teams.

Madness with a roughly 50/50 ICE/electric split. All this will do is make the best car go even faster.

What could they have done instead that wouldn't be pretty much entirely subjective or given exactly the same result?

[WPA]

New rules agreed for 2027 and 2028, as Ferrari and Audi pushed back on the changes in one step

2027 will be 58/42 and 2028 60/40

So stand by for Red Bull to dominate next year if they do have the best ICE engine



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/c4gy...

[SoliD]

Off the back of this, as ADUO does not stack/change in the following 5/6 race checkup periods, what happens If Merc(or any other supplier) introduce an improved engine in q3 of this 2026 that puts them top of the list by 2% over Ford/RB, would this mean Ford/RB then get an improvement opportunity for this season and 2027 and merc lose their opportunity for next season? or do Merc keep their improvement for next season and the cash that goes with it?

[Otispunkmeyer]

How do they define "best" though? Like peak power?

Mercedes could have forgone peak power for more power in the lower RPMs by dint of more low-down torque. But I presume torque/power curves on these things aren't massively different.