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Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS Formula One Team - Platform Engineer
We have an exciting opportunity in our Enterprise Technology Team for an IT Platform Engineer.
This role will be central to delivering and supporting the core IT infrastructure that underpins the Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS F1 Team. Working across the Enterprise Technology function and wider business, you will help ensure our platforms are resilient, scalable and consistently performing at the highest level.
The successful candidate will be passionate about technology and infrastructure, bringing a proactive and solutions-focused mindset. You will be comfortable operating across a broad range of technologies, balancing stability and control with the pace and demands of a world-leading sports team.
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Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS Formula One Team - Platform Engineer
We have an exciting opportunity in our Enterprise Technology Team for an IT Platform Engineer.
This role will be central to delivering and supporting the core IT infrastructure that underpins the Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS F1 Team. Working across the Enterprise Technology function and wider business, you will help ensure our platforms are resilient, scalable and consistently performing at the highest level.
The successful candidate will be passionate about technology and infrastructure, bringing a proactive and solutions-focused mindset. You will be comfortable operating across a broad range of technologies, balancing stability and control with the pace and demands of a world-leading sports team.
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_Rodders_ said:
Not that it matters as I didn't understand half the words in that job spec but not putting the salary or salary range on a job advert should be illegal.
Why? Genuine question. If you’re a serious candidate with knowledge and experience of the required skills, you will certainly know what the going rate is for your skill set. If they offer less than you think you are worth, you are free to walk away. Or negotiate for a better offer.
SpudLink said:
_Rodders_ said:
Not that it matters as I didn't understand half the words in that job spec but not putting the salary or salary range on a job advert should be illegal.
Why? Genuine question. If you re a serious candidate with knowledge and experience of the required skills, you will certainly know what the going rate is for your skill set. If they offer less than you think you are worth, you are free to walk away. Or negotiate for a better offer.
LunarOne said:
SpudLink said:
_Rodders_ said:
Not that it matters as I didn't understand half the words in that job spec but not putting the salary or salary range on a job advert should be illegal.
Why? Genuine question. If you re a serious candidate with knowledge and experience of the required skills, you will certainly know what the going rate is for your skill set. If they offer less than you think you are worth, you are free to walk away. Or negotiate for a better offer.
The fact that it is a salary job and doesn t pay overtime and the chances of you doing silly hours is pretty high.
They just want people to be happy they got into the sport and will work for peanuts.
I left the sport 4 years ago because I could see where it was going. Pay rises have been very limited since then to try and bring the wage cost down as before the cost cap working in F1 was quite good pay really.
I’m happier now working a job with nice hours and getting paid overtime. I can actually earn more where I am now if I did the same number of hours.
Edited by Composite Guru on Thursday 2nd July 10:16
Indeed. The factory jobs really don't pay any more than the equivalent jobs in industry. I applied for a job at Red Bull almost 10 years ago and, with the money they were offering and the hours they were expecting, we were never going to meet in the middle which became very apparent half way through the interview. Even with the "you might get some trips to GPs and support the garage/pit wall IT" possibility it was never going to fit with my view of work/life balance (i.e. life always before work). I think you really need to be single to work in most F1 roles.
Composite Guru said:
LunarOne said:
SpudLink said:
_Rodders_ said:
Not that it matters as I didn't understand half the words in that job spec but not putting the salary or salary range on a job advert should be illegal.
Why? Genuine question. If you re a serious candidate with knowledge and experience of the required skills, you will certainly know what the going rate is for your skill set. If they offer less than you think you are worth, you are free to walk away. Or negotiate for a better offer.
The fact that it is a salary job and doesn t pay overtime and the chances of you doing silly hours is pretty high.
They just want people to be happy they got into the sport and will work for peanuts.
I left the sport 4 years ago because I could see where it was going. Pay rises have been very limited since then to try and bring the wage cost down as before the cost cap working in F1 was quite good pay really.
I m happier now working a job with nice hours and getting paid overtime. I can actually earn more where I am now if I did the same number of hours
Roles that were 4 people now are just 1 person, and on the lowest salary of the lot of them. It's an oversaturated market and if you're not top 1% it's a nightmare. Automation, managed services and an explosion of people getting into it mean that even if you were a decent and relative specialist, most companies would rather replace you with someone who can fuddle their way through with an AI because they're half the price.
I'm not logged in to LinkedIn on my work laptop or i'd have a peek though. That said, one of my mates went to McLaren (quit after 8 weeks) and said it was an absolute s
tshow. SpudLink said:
_Rodders_ said:
Not that it matters as I didn't understand half the words in that job spec but not putting the salary or salary range on a job advert should be illegal.
Why? Genuine question. If you re a serious candidate with knowledge and experience of the required skills, you will certainly know what the going rate is for your skill set. If they offer less than you think you are worth, you are free to walk away. Or negotiate for a better offer.
Its as basic as where the job is based, or what the working house are. These are things that should be established before you dive into the details of an interview or selection process.
IME anyone not giving at least a salary range is hoping to get you for less than you're worth.
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 2nd July 17:11
TikTak said:
Composite Guru said:
LunarOne said:
SpudLink said:
_Rodders_ said:
Not that it matters as I didn't understand half the words in that job spec but not putting the salary or salary range on a job advert should be illegal.
Why? Genuine question. If you re a serious candidate with knowledge and experience of the required skills, you will certainly know what the going rate is for your skill set. If they offer less than you think you are worth, you are free to walk away. Or negotiate for a better offer.
The fact that it is a salary job and doesn t pay overtime and the chances of you doing silly hours is pretty high.
They just want people to be happy they got into the sport and will work for peanuts.
I left the sport 4 years ago because I could see where it was going. Pay rises have been very limited since then to try and bring the wage cost down as before the cost cap working in F1 was quite good pay really.
I m happier now working a job with nice hours and getting paid overtime. I can actually earn more where I am now if I did the same number of hours
Roles that were 4 people now are just 1 person, and on the lowest salary of the lot of them. It's an oversaturated market and if you're not top 1% it's a nightmare. Automation, managed services and an explosion of people getting into it mean that even if you were a decent and relative specialist, most companies would rather replace you with someone who can fuddle their way through with an AI because they're half the price.
I'm not logged in to LinkedIn on my work laptop or i'd have a peek though. That said, one of my mates went to McLaren (quit after 8 weeks) and said it was an absolute s
tshow. tshow. Many are stuck in it because they dont have the qualifications to earn similar money out of F1. So many in F1 have got in through knowing mates, not having skills. This wore me down in my engineering position. Just got fed up dealing with morons. Edited by Composite Guru on Thursday 2nd July 21:13
After nearly 25yrs of designing, I'm leaving F1 in a few months
I'm paid very well, no stress, busy working at my 1st choice of team, on a super interesting project with a great bunch of people
But all the fun has been sucked out it, just not enjoying it anymore
Just too many people in a team, systems just too complicated/time consuming, doing anything now just takes too long and I'm too remote from the finished car
F1 is not for eveyone but I'd still recommend working in it though
I'm paid very well, no stress, busy working at my 1st choice of team, on a super interesting project with a great bunch of people
But all the fun has been sucked out it, just not enjoying it anymore
Just too many people in a team, systems just too complicated/time consuming, doing anything now just takes too long and I'm too remote from the finished car
F1 is not for eveyone but I'd still recommend working in it though
SpudLink said:
_Rodders_ said:
Not that it matters as I didn't understand half the words in that job spec but not putting the salary or salary range on a job advert should be illegal.
Why? Genuine question. If you re a serious candidate with knowledge and experience of the required skills, you will certainly know what the going rate is for your skill set. If they offer less than you think you are worth, you are free to walk away. Or negotiate for a better offer.
I went for a group FD role a couple of years ago for a well known motoring museum on the south coast. At the time and for the area this role is between £120-150k plus decent bonus/equity. I went to the interview and all was going well. When it got to the figures. £80k+ an annual pass for my family to the museum! Oh and for that you'll need to work two Saturdays a month and if you can get a tax qualification too that'd be great as we don't want to pay for a tax accountant!
Total waste of everyone's time, not to mention taking a half day away from my contracting role at the time.
QuattroDave said:
To avoid wasting peoples time.
Whenever I get a call from an agent, that's my first line. "To avoid wasting everyone's time, what's the rate?"If they won't give you a straight answer, the money is rubbish.
99% of people do their job for the money. Nobody grows up wanting to be, I dunno, am accountant or project manager for the love of it.
HardtopManual said:
QuattroDave said:
To avoid wasting peoples time.
Whenever I get a call from an agent, that's my first line. "To avoid wasting everyone's time, what's the rate?"If they won't give you a straight answer, the money is rubbish.
99% of people do their job for the money. Nobody grows up wanting to be, I dunno, am accountant or project manager for the love of it.
On the second point, exactly! I actually studied to be an architect but there's sod all money in it so I went into audit then accounting as there's decent money in it if you're good, whereas you need to be top 0.1% in architecture to make any decent money.
A platform engineer which needs to know about cabling?? thats a network engineer.
I think anyone within the field can look at the role and safely avoid. Its so vague and has aspects which do not fall under platform engineering that its clear they either dont know what they want or they are looking for a do it all person. Both terrible.
I think anyone within the field can look at the role and safely avoid. Its so vague and has aspects which do not fall under platform engineering that its clear they either dont know what they want or they are looking for a do it all person. Both terrible.
F1 jobs seem weird. If you show up at interview with your mclaren race suit,sporting a lewis cap, redbull can in hand you get binned off as a bit of a fanboy.
But to entice you into 24x7x365 labour in the job you get teased with some minor F1 weekend related task.
On another note,building up and dismantelling those huge multi storey paddock motorhomes every week seems like a bit of a chore.
But in the well drilled world of F1 its probably ok as you are enthused by your part in the team.
Just imagine the civvy world with a lot of old lags going for a smoke while one person does most of it lol.
But to entice you into 24x7x365 labour in the job you get teased with some minor F1 weekend related task.
On another note,building up and dismantelling those huge multi storey paddock motorhomes every week seems like a bit of a chore.
But in the well drilled world of F1 its probably ok as you are enthused by your part in the team.
Just imagine the civvy world with a lot of old lags going for a smoke while one person does most of it lol.
HardtopManual said:
QuattroDave said:
To avoid wasting peoples time.
Whenever I get a call from an agent, that's my first line. "To avoid wasting everyone's time, what's the rate?"If they won't give you a straight answer, the money is rubbish.
99% of people do their job for the money. Nobody grows up wanting to be, I dunno, am accountant or project manager for the love of it.
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