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chris burman

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7 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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Hi im new to this please be pateint i got my 944 last year and im getting it ready for track days i was drilling through the floor to fastern the new seat and went through the fuel line i have repaired the line but now i cant seem to get it to start help please

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

208 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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Have you got pressure at the rail ?

There should be something that looks like a car tyre valve on the fuel rail, push the middle bit down (as if you were letting air out of a tyre) and see if fuel comes out (ignition on).

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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There may well be a bit of swarf stuck in the fuel line somewhere.

chris burman

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7 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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Thanks i will try that

Flintstone

8,644 posts

277 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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davepoth said:
There may well be a bit of swarf stuck in the fuel line somewhere.
I read that as 'smurf' biggrin

chris burman

Original Poster:

7 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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i couldnt find the air valve on the fuel rail help please

Jimmyarm

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208 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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chris burman said:
i couldnt find the air valve on the fuel rail help please
Can you take a picture of the rail, there may be a plastic cap covering the valve.

XG332

3,927 posts

218 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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chris burman said:
i couldnt find the air valve on the fuel rail help please
I'm on my way!

Flintstone

8,644 posts

277 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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Tried the Porsche forum on here?


I've searched for the fuel rail images on t'net and I can't see a valve on them either.

Edited by Flintstone on Tuesday 10th May 22:13

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

208 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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chris burman

Original Poster:

7 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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Hi so do I remove the nut to get to the valve it all looks so complicated thanks

Jimmyarm

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208 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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chris burman said:
Hi so do I remove the nut to get to the valve it all looks so complicated thanks
Perhaps you would be better off taking it too a garage if you can't undo a nut tongue out

chris burman

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7 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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Ha ha I like a challenge

Eggman

1,253 posts

241 months

Tuesday 10th May 2011
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Just out of interest, how did you repair the fuel line?

chris burman

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7 posts

185 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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I cut out the defective part and put in a new flexible line it doesn't leak why

Flintstone

8,644 posts

277 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Jimmyarm said:
Where number 2 is on this picture ?

http://www.944online.com/cgi-bin/ASI_Store.cgi?Pro...
I can't make that diagram out. It seems to suggest that the fuel line goes on to the (threaded) end but the cap (with a ball inside?) also goes there. Clearly that can't be so but..............


Oh Jimmy, don't take this the wrong way but if you're fiddling with the fuel rail mind your eyes. The pressure is enough to squirt fuel a couple of feet.


Edited by Flintstone on Wednesday 11th May 00:28

williamp

20,408 posts

303 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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The nut (will ball bearing) goes on the end- the plastic shroud running along the engine does (from memory) have a hinged bit at the end to give access.

The pipe (11 on that diagram) comes from the side. As others have said, its a coincidence to say its not related, so start to see if its blocked. Without running the engine, remove this nut slowly and see if fuel leaks out.

There is also a large fuel filter up by the rear suspension which could get clogged and might be worth replacing.

Eggman

1,253 posts

241 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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chris burman said:
I cut out the defective part and put in a new flexible line it doesn't leak why
Just that the fuel is under a lot of pressure at that point and I had a feeling you may have done exactly that.

Hopefully you'll have bought some proper high pressure injection fuel pipe like this:

rather than something more like this?:


They're both bodges; the first is a bit ho-hum, but I've done it in the past as an emergency short-term repair when my Range Rover sprung a massive leak. The second option (even using the kind of pipe that would be fine with carburettors) is dodgy.

A much better repair (particularly in an exposed location under the car) would be to replace the whole run of metal pipe from front to back. Microbore central heating pipe is just the ticket for this and only costs a few quid from the DIY shop.

seagrey

385 posts

195 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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why is the first repair using porper fuel hose a bodge?
There are many cars with bits of rubber hose joined into the fuel systems on supply and return sides,if the hose is fitted properly with clips it will be just as good as the steel it replaced.

Even if the whole pipe was replaced there will still be a rubber pipe at either end to fix it to the fuel rail and tank/sender.
OP if you need to change the pipe hgv airline is better for fuel line,it bends easily without kinking,is light,cheap,impervious to fuels and unlike metal pipe reforms perfectly after crushing,or squashing.

Eggman

1,253 posts

241 months

Wednesday 11th May 2011
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Depends on the location - tucked above a chassis rail might be OK, but under the car where it might be struck by debris perhaps not. The rubber pipe is much thicker, which doesn't help.

I thought it was a really horrible bodge when I did it, especially given that the metal fuel pipes were in less than perfect condition!