Car exteriors - ergonomic disasters
Car exteriors - ergonomic disasters
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TonyRPH

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13,539 posts

198 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Following on from the interior ergonomics thread... (exterior 'ergonomics' is probably not the right word but it fitted in with the other thread..)

I'm sorry VW, but it's you again.

The MK5 Golf indicator that is in the centre of the brake light, rendering it difficult to see.

Why?

The same problem applies to the Passat of the same era too....



Passat..



Edited by TonyRPH on Friday 20th May 09:22

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

13,539 posts

198 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Also saw an Audi A3 this morning, an '09 IIRC.

Tiny slitty little rear indicator, barely visible in the bright sunlight.

Form over function methinks.


300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Actually, this is gripe of mine.

Why is it so many indicators, especially rear ones are so hard to see these days? Combine this with over bright rear lights that dazel as much as rear foglights do.

I followed a car a while back, think it was a VAG hatch of some kind. Some sort of swirly looking LED rear lights (stock, it was a brand new car). These things caused a sort of disorientating haze and blur. Very hard to focus on yet continually caught your eye. Highly distracting, so much so I even pulled over to let them get far enough a head that is was less of an issue.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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How ironic that indicators are the main gripe!!!! (agree with the above though)

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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doogz said:
I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "ergonomics"
That too smile

Just saw the red haze (pun intended hehe ) over the rear lights...

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

13,539 posts

198 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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doogz said:
I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word "ergonomics"
If this is directed at me (the OP) then did you see my comment in brackets?

TonyRPH said:
(exterior 'ergonomics' is probably not the right word but it fitted in with the other thread..)

kambites

71,483 posts

251 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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The design of the S1 Elise where you can only open the boot from inside the car is a bit idiotic, especially since the cable tends to snap and then the only way to get into the boot is to cut a hole in the bodywork. Mind you the S2 needing the key is almost as annoying - I quite often find that I want something out of the boot while I'm in the garage and have to go back inside to get the keys to get it.

rodgerramjet

1,143 posts

248 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Range Rover/X5/Merc ML etc front lights all seem to be at the perfect height for blinding me via my rear view mirror in the '2. This annoys the hell out me for the six months of the year it's dark up here.

Actually new Transits do this also.

I therefor suggest a ban on all SUVs and vans whenever I take to the highways tongue out

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Actually, I've got a genuine ergonomic gripe.

Windscreen wipers!!!!!

The ones that when in use leave all the collected water on the upstroke right in line with the driver. So you can't see out properly. If at night the effect is multiplied.

My Pug 106 was the worst, but even my Roadster does it.

BarnatosGhost

34,153 posts

283 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Chimaera door latches that fill with water and freeze

carlove

7,909 posts

197 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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I've noticed the same problem with the indicators on the Focus.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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rodgerramjet said:
Range Rover/X5/Merc ML etc front lights all seem to be at the perfect height for blinding me via my rear view mirror in the '2. This annoys the hell out me for the six months of the year it's dark up here.

Actually new Transits do this also.

I therefor suggest a ban on all SUVs and vans whenever I take to the highways tongue out
That's not ergonomics though. It's physics...

unpc

2,998 posts

243 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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TonyRPH said:
Following on from the interior ergonomics thread... (exterior 'ergonomics' is probably not the right word but it fitted in with the other thread..)

I'm sorry VW, but it's you again.

The MK5 Golf indicator that is in the centre of the brake light, rendering it difficult to see.

Why?

The same problem applies to the Passat of the same era too....
Nearly rear ended several of these. They're almost impossible to see with the brake lights on.

joshd963

113 posts

185 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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but but but... it's pretty

F i F

48,786 posts

281 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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I'd nominate wipers that in their park position are hidden behind the rear of the bonnet edge so you can't lift them off far enough to clean the blades or the screen beneath the parked position.

This gets worse in winter as you can't just lift them off the screen and leave them lifted off so they don't freeze on, but have to remember to stop them in a non parked position, then lift them off.

Yes VW, you again.

Though in your defence you do have a maintenance position which is quite easy to select. Just that you have to have an accurate weather forecast and with the state of Mystic met and others these days then this is all rendered somewhat moot.


ambuletz

11,754 posts

211 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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generally, I hate cars that have indicators on the inside, at the front. with the headlights on the outside.

for example. the mk4 golf.



Very hard to notice when the headlights are on IMO.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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F i F said:
I'd nominate wipers that in their park position are hidden behind the rear of the bonnet edge so you can't lift them off far enough to clean the blades or the screen beneath the parked position.

This gets worse in winter as you can't just lift them off the screen and leave them lifted off so they don't freeze on, but have to remember to stop them in a non parked position, then lift them off.

Yes VW, you again.

Though in your defence you do have a maintenance position which is quite easy to select. Just that you have to have an accurate weather forecast and with the state of Mystic met and others these days then this is all rendered somewhat moot.
Isn't that to reduce wind noise when driving though?

Pannywagon

1,044 posts

216 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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The front doors on a 3-door Peugeot 307 are way too long which makes getting in and out in parking spaces a little (lot) harder than it should be.

The company I work for has one as a pool car, and the biggest piece of cr*p I've ever driven it is too.

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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DR10 said:
F i F said:
I'd nominate wipers that in their park position are hidden behind the rear of the bonnet edge so you can't lift them off far enough to clean the blades or the screen beneath the parked position.

This gets worse in winter as you can't just lift them off the screen and leave them lifted off so they don't freeze on, but have to remember to stop them in a non parked position, then lift them off.

Yes VW, you again.

Though in your defence you do have a maintenance position which is quite easy to select. Just that you have to have an accurate weather forecast and with the state of Mystic met and others these days then this is all rendered somewhat moot.
Isn't that to reduce wind noise when driving though?
I thought it was to prevent pedestrians' faces being peeled when you ploughed into them - probably the least of their worries if they're that far up your bonnet.

mat205125

17,790 posts

243 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Boot hinges on Alfa Romeo 156s. The design of the hinge arcs the boot through a path that will empty the accumulated rain water on the boot all over the contents of the boot and its carpet.