Could a Mclaren F1 mix it with the new supercars
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It's all subjective as far as Im aware? I'd be curious to see how it would fare, Id like to think it would do well. Say a Mclaren F1 LM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_F1_LM
It would be interesting to see it round the Top Gear test track.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_F1_LM
It would be interesting to see it round the Top Gear test track.
IMO, to make such a comparison "fair", you'd need to make several adjustments.
- You wouldn't use an LM, as it has no A/C or sound system, which the new cars all do. Also, it's got a straight-cut gearbox, making for slightly quicker shifts, at the cost of a level of noise that over an extended period is unbearable. A standard road car would be a fairer reference.
- The biggest difference would be in the tyres. You'd need to fit equivalent, modern tyres to the F1, on 18" wheels.
- Next disparity is the modern cars' girlie gearshift. Manual - manual would be the right comparison.
- The other major difference would be in braking. A harder pad on the F1 would help it, although the size of its discs is a limiting factor.
I'd suggest that the McLaren F1 is to road cars as the McLaren M8 series (Can-Am) was to racing cars.
Path-breaking, brutally fast, but ultimately superseded by things that were more sophisticated but less animalistic and less inspiring.
- You wouldn't use an LM, as it has no A/C or sound system, which the new cars all do. Also, it's got a straight-cut gearbox, making for slightly quicker shifts, at the cost of a level of noise that over an extended period is unbearable. A standard road car would be a fairer reference.
- The biggest difference would be in the tyres. You'd need to fit equivalent, modern tyres to the F1, on 18" wheels.
- Next disparity is the modern cars' girlie gearshift. Manual - manual would be the right comparison.
- The other major difference would be in braking. A harder pad on the F1 would help it, although the size of its discs is a limiting factor.
I'd suggest that the McLaren F1 is to road cars as the McLaren M8 series (Can-Am) was to racing cars.
Path-breaking, brutally fast, but ultimately superseded by things that were more sophisticated but less animalistic and less inspiring.
Very much so; even against the mighty Veyron, the F1 still holds its own: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXqSedWSu2k
One thing that was pointed out on a part that wasn't shown on the video is that the Veyron's 4 turbos wouldn't have been providing the usual amount of thrust in the staggering heat.
For a car that's 20 years old though, the F1 is still a remarkable piece of engineering.
One thing that was pointed out on a part that wasn't shown on the video is that the Veyron's 4 turbos wouldn't have been providing the usual amount of thrust in the staggering heat.
For a car that's 20 years old though, the F1 is still a remarkable piece of engineering.
Funk said:
Very much so; even against the mighty Veyron, the F1 still holds its own: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXqSedWSu2k
One thing that was pointed out on a part that wasn't shown on the video is that the Veyron's 4 turbos wouldn't have been providing the usual amount of thrust in the staggering heat.
For a car that's 20 years old though, the F1 is still a remarkable piece of engineering.
if that is what I think it is you're an idiot. Don't worry I'll tell you that to your face One thing that was pointed out on a part that wasn't shown on the video is that the Veyron's 4 turbos wouldn't have been providing the usual amount of thrust in the staggering heat.
For a car that's 20 years old though, the F1 is still a remarkable piece of engineering.
the next time I see you.
flemke said:
I think I remember that article.
In fairness, the 458 and 12C are also faster around a circuit than an Enzo is.
you really should do. In fairness, the 458 and 12C are also faster around a circuit than an Enzo is.
That is one of the most amazing thing for me about modern cars, a £600,000 mclaren is only as fast as a £360,000 Ferrari which has just be superceded by a £200,000 one.
I'd still rather have a ZR1 and a phaeton but it is amazing what you can get for your money these days
JoeFrost said:
Out of interest, how loud is an F1 as road car? I appreciate how focused etc it is but could you say, drive to the South of France in one without feeling like killing yourself due to the noise/lack of comfort etc?
Engine noise inside cabin is at least as much induction as exhaust. It's fairly loud, but certainly bearable. Most I've driven/ridden in one day was prob 15 hrs. The factory offer a few levels of silencing.Problem with the LMs and GTRs is the straight-cut gears in the transaxle. They tend to make a lot of noise.
ZeeTacoe said:
That is one of the most amazing thing for me about modern cars, a £600,000 mclaren is only as fast as a £360,000 Ferrari which has just be superceded by a £200,000 one.
I'd still rather have a ZR1 and a phaeton but it is amazing what you can get for your money these days
I'd still rather have a ZR1 and a phaeton but it is amazing what you can get for your money these days
flemke said:
ZeeTacoe said:
That is one of the most amazing thing for me about modern cars, a £600,000 mclaren is only as fast as a £360,000 Ferrari which has just be superceded by a £200,000 one.
I'd still rather have a ZR1 and a phaeton but it is amazing what you can get for your money these days
I'd still rather have a ZR1 and a phaeton but it is amazing what you can get for your money these days
Edited by ZeeTacoe on Sunday 22 May 16:01
I lack the technological wherewithal to verify the claims, but has anyone seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Wws1A3SB8&fea...
LukeSi said:
For a 15+ year old car the F1 is still amazing by modern standards. I bet it would easily see off many of the current top performing super cars. If the F1 is still a lot faster off the line than even the veyron the new Mclaren Hyper Car is going to be dam scary.
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