Will 0-60 times continue to drop ?
Discussion
Saw mention of the latest 911 turbo and Nissan GTR doing sub 3 sec 0-60 times, remember when I was a kid, anything starting with a five was true supercar territor but now it seems sub 3 seconds is possible from out of the box commodity metal, I know the Veyron SuperSports does it in 2.5 so that is at least possible but its over a million quid to go a couple of tenths quicker.
I know its a pretty useless yardstick and nobody needs to accelerate any quicker than that but we love it really as it has so much Top Trump style heritage and its still used, ok 30-70 is more useful but its no way as sexy
So, will we see a sub 2 second factory car at some point ? has it reached its zenith ? is there some technical reason why they wont go much faster ?
Incidentally are the tuned versions of the GTR and 911 any quicker 0-60 than the standard ones or is it down to traction and not leaving a big pile of cogs on the floor ?
I know its a pretty useless yardstick and nobody needs to accelerate any quicker than that but we love it really as it has so much Top Trump style heritage and its still used, ok 30-70 is more useful but its no way as sexy
So, will we see a sub 2 second factory car at some point ? has it reached its zenith ? is there some technical reason why they wont go much faster ?
Incidentally are the tuned versions of the GTR and 911 any quicker 0-60 than the standard ones or is it down to traction and not leaving a big pile of cogs on the floor ?
As above, traction / grip etc are the limting factors and the way the power is fed in.
I don't know, but with electric vehicles there may be a slightly different way of improving this and getting faster times?
I always assume that there will be improvement as long as someone is willing to pay for it, but road car wise legislation will be the ultimate limit (tyre tread etc.)
I don't know, but with electric vehicles there may be a slightly different way of improving this and getting faster times?
I always assume that there will be improvement as long as someone is willing to pay for it, but road car wise legislation will be the ultimate limit (tyre tread etc.)
This isn't an area that any car companies are focussing on.
The BHP/power war is where it is at in the super saloons, for the supercar sector the only real drive is to make cars more and more expensive, with more gadgets and less driver input.
For the rest of the market it is either safety or efficiency. No major firm is thinking of how many more units they will shift based on a 0-60 time
The BHP/power war is where it is at in the super saloons, for the supercar sector the only real drive is to make cars more and more expensive, with more gadgets and less driver input.
For the rest of the market it is either safety or efficiency. No major firm is thinking of how many more units they will shift based on a 0-60 time
Gargamel said:
This isn't an area that any car companies are focussing on.
The BHP/power war is where it is at in the super saloons, for the supercar sector the only real drive is to make cars more and more expensive, with more gadgets and less driver input.
For the rest of the market it is either safety or efficiency. No major firm is thinking of how many more units they will shift based on a 0-60 time
In the old days car add’s would quote the 0-60 times and even brag how their car was quicker than Car X or Y in the same class. The BHP/power war is where it is at in the super saloons, for the supercar sector the only real drive is to make cars more and more expensive, with more gadgets and less driver input.
For the rest of the market it is either safety or efficiency. No major firm is thinking of how many more units they will shift based on a 0-60 time
Fast forward to today cars are all eco-motion this bluemotion that have wee green leaves on the back etc MPG is the new BHP.
The day to day stuff is getting slower and slower. Due to longer gearing, more KG and eco tyres. Just look at the new 1.6 Passat Bluemotion 12.4 to 60.
What was a 1.6 mid range saloon doing 15-20 years back? Say Montego 1.6 0-60 11.5 second
Gargamel said:
This isn't an area that any car companies are focussing on.
The BHP/power war is where it is at in the super saloons, for the supercar sector the only real drive is to make cars more and more expensive, with more gadgets and less driver input.
For the rest of the market it is either safety or efficiency. No major firm is thinking of how many more units they will shift based on a 0-60 time
What utter utter tosh. Read that back and have a word with yourself for making stuff up. The BHP/power war is where it is at in the super saloons, for the supercar sector the only real drive is to make cars more and more expensive, with more gadgets and less driver input.
For the rest of the market it is either safety or efficiency. No major firm is thinking of how many more units they will shift based on a 0-60 time
MDT said:
In the old days car add’s would quote the 0-60 times and even brag how their car was quicker than Car X or Y in the same class.
Fast forward to today cars are all eco-motion this bluemotion that have wee green leaves on the back etc MPG is the new BHP.
The day to day stuff is getting slower and slower. Due to longer gearing, more KG and eco tyres. Just look at the new 1.6 Passat Bluemotion 12.4 to 60.
What was a 1.6 mid range saloon doing 15-20 years back? Say Montego 1.6 0-60 11.5 second
The 1.6 Montego iirc was a heady 10.5 seconds with the 2.0 doing it in nine dead.Fast forward to today cars are all eco-motion this bluemotion that have wee green leaves on the back etc MPG is the new BHP.
The day to day stuff is getting slower and slower. Due to longer gearing, more KG and eco tyres. Just look at the new 1.6 Passat Bluemotion 12.4 to 60.
What was a 1.6 mid range saloon doing 15-20 years back? Say Montego 1.6 0-60 11.5 second
MDT said:
In the old days car add’s would quote the 0-60 times and even brag how their car was quicker than Car X or Y in the same class.
Isn't that illegal now?Manufacturers ain't stupid, most people want a stupidly high MPG* and a low ass road tax, that's about it.
The new Saabs are doing a pretty good job of being nimble and low tax though.
- If this is the main selling point imo, they want to sort out the tests, because they are properly iffy.
I would imagine that as times drop, then the chance of the everyday driver being able to hit the quoted 0-60 is going to drop too, making it pretty pointless to a large extent.
for example I bet my gran could hit the 0-60 time of a golf gti, but I bet I would struggle to hit the quoted 0-60 time of the latest Zonda, or even the currenty AMG/M power/RSXXXX so on.
for example I bet my gran could hit the 0-60 time of a golf gti, but I bet I would struggle to hit the quoted 0-60 time of the latest Zonda, or even the currenty AMG/M power/RSXXXX so on.
KrazyIvan said:
I would imagine that as times drop, then the chance of the everyday driver being able to hit the quoted 0-60 is going to drop too, making it pretty pointless to a large extent.
Don't almost all supercars have some form of launch control these days? Thus anyone should be able to hit the quoted 0-60 time. But aren't many of the modern figures so good because of things like launch control and semi/fully-auto gearboxes?
In other words the 0-60 times have improved more than the 30-70 times which are more real-world and more usable by drivers on the roads.
I wonder if the strive for better 0-60 times will result in temporary traction devices to get off the line quicker (extra drop down tyre, or hook/claw into the tarmac). Maybe even a powerful heater in the wheelarches to heat the tyres to max grip in advance of a launch control start.
In other words the 0-60 times have improved more than the 30-70 times which are more real-world and more usable by drivers on the roads.
I wonder if the strive for better 0-60 times will result in temporary traction devices to get off the line quicker (extra drop down tyre, or hook/claw into the tarmac). Maybe even a powerful heater in the wheelarches to heat the tyres to max grip in advance of a launch control start.
powwerr said:
I dont think its physically possible to do it any quicker than about 2.0 secs.
And that is from pretty dedicated / big ££ purpose built cars.
Personally i think it has pretty much peaked.
Pat Doran's rallycross Fiesta - 1.9 to 60. (Okay, not strictly a road going car, but quicker than 2.0 secs.)And that is from pretty dedicated / big ££ purpose built cars.
Personally i think it has pretty much peaked.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff