RE: Final Bugatti Veyron Sold
Monday 27th June 2011
It's gone. You're too late. If you had been hanging on that extra few weeks before bunging down a deposit on a Bugatti Veyron, it's too late now. Because the Last Veyron has been sold to an anonymous European customer (Exactly how anonymous can you be, driving around in a Bugatti Veyron? - Ed.)
Final Bugatti Veyron Sold
250mph hypercar ends seven-year production run
Just 300 Veyrons were built over its seven-year production run, and the final owner will still have to wait until next autumn before they get their million-pound hypercar on the driveway.
But it's not quite your last chance to get hold of a piece of the car that broke the 250mph (or 268mph in the case of the Super Sport), because you can still get hold of the soft-top Veyron Grand Sport, which will be produced until 150 examples have found homes.
Next up for Bugatti will be a mega-luxo-barge type affair, due to hit the road in 2013-14, a production version of the Galibier 16C concept that was unveiled back in 2009.
Discussion
You're not telling me that if I wandered in with a briefcase of money that they'd not divert the bits from a convertible into a hardtop? Because I don't believe you! 
Sadly the briefcase is empty - I actually can't even afford a tyre (£5K) or even a full tank of petrol (£140ish) atm
Amazing machine - an example of what can be done when cost is simply ignored. Whether we'll see it's like again, I've no idea but we WILL see faster cars - that's always going to happen...
Sadly the briefcase is empty - I actually can't even afford a tyre (£5K) or even a full tank of petrol (£140ish) atm
Amazing machine - an example of what can be done when cost is simply ignored. Whether we'll see it's like again, I've no idea but we WILL see faster cars - that's always going to happen...
So at the start of production and sales it was quoted that each car would be sold at a loss, each car was said to cost VW €5mil with a selling price of €1million. But they said it was more of a R&D project.
so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
tridave said:
So at the start of production and sales it was quoted that each car would be sold at a loss, each car was said to cost VW €5mil with a selling price of €1million. But they said it was more of a R&D project.
so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
And possibly have been as successful as Virgin or Lotus and be thought of as "bottom end" instead of being the people who brought you the fastest road car, which people will remember for a very long time! (and fantasise that some of that DNA is in their Golf or S3 thst they may be thinking of buying)so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
tridave said:
So at the start of production and sales it was quoted that each car would be sold at a loss, each car was said to cost VW €5mil with a selling price of €1million. But they said it was more of a R&D project.
so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
Not for long though!! And they would have raced with the Hispanias, damaging their reputation.so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
You could argue that they have built the best car ever made.
MTR
mcflurry said:
They said that after the Mc F1 and the Jag 220, yet a faster machine came out.
As long as there are sheds and engineers, there's always possibilities
There will always be faster machines (RUF 9FF, Whatever that american thing is, Red Victor 3 is faster, but I know which I'd rather take to Sainsburys), but will there ever be a car as resolved as the Veyron. One that could go 268mph but could also be driven by your mum to the shops with relative ease. Probably not. Or at least, not for a while.As long as there are sheds and engineers, there's always possibilities
Dempsey1971 said:
There will always be faster machines (RUF 9FF, Whatever that american thing is, Red Victor 3 is faster, but I know which I'd rather take to Sainsburys), but will there ever be a car as resolved as the Veyron. One that could go 268mph but could also be driven by your mum to the shops with relative ease. Probably not. Or at least, not for a while.
I agree Patrick. People seem to forget the 'resolved' part of your argument. The Veyron is a true GT car. If you don't believe me, head down to Knightsbridge next month and see a few of them parked up in traffic. tridave said:
So at the start of production and sales it was quoted that each car would be sold at a loss, each car was said to cost VW €5mil with a selling price of €1million. But they said it was more of a R&D project.
so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
those years ago it was one-year budget for top teams, and with no guarantee of success (Toyota F1 anyone?).so 300 cars €1.5bn in cost V revenue of €300million, so as a R&D project they could have funded there own F1 Team.
2008 F1 team resources
Including sponsorship, supplier deals, prize money, team owner contributions, tyre provision and supply of customer engines where appropriate.
Toyota: $445.6m
McLaren: $433.3m
Ferrari: $414.9m
Honda: $398.1m
Renault: $393.8m
BMW Sauber: $366.8m
Red Bull Racing: $164.7m
Williams: $160.6m
Toro Rosso: $128.2m
Force India: $121.85m
Super Aguri: $45.6m
Total: $3,073.45m
As someone else already mentioned, I doubt the loss per car bein down to materials / labour.
They'd have been making a loss on the R&D involved and so every car sold would be recouping this loss. The fact that they kept selling them for 7 years is evidence enough of this. If they were actually making a further loss for every car sold then I doubt it would have lasted this long.
They'd have been making a loss on the R&D involved and so every car sold would be recouping this loss. The fact that they kept selling them for 7 years is evidence enough of this. If they were actually making a further loss for every car sold then I doubt it would have lasted this long.
Dempsey1971 said:
There will always be faster machines (RUF 9FF, Whatever that american thing is, Red Victor 3 is faster, but I know which I'd rather take to Sainsburys), but will there ever be a car as resolved as the Veyron. One that could go 268mph but could also be driven by your mum to the shops with relative ease. Probably not. Or at least, not for a while.
Interesting point, and it seems quite reasonable - although I don't think that the Veyron is a more resolved/better GT than the McLaren F1 - which still looks as good now as when it was first announced. I doubt that the Veyron will age with quite so much grace as Peter Stevens design.mx5tom said:
As someone else already mentioned, I doubt the loss per car bein down to materials / labour.
They'd have been making a loss on the R&D involved and so every car sold would be recouping this loss. The fact that they kept selling them for 7 years is evidence enough of this. If they were actually making a further loss for every car sold then I doubt it would have lasted this long.
I'm also sure they used designs and knowledge built etc across the groupThey'd have been making a loss on the R&D involved and so every car sold would be recouping this loss. The fact that they kept selling them for 7 years is evidence enough of this. If they were actually making a further loss for every car sold then I doubt it would have lasted this long.
I've never even seen one on the road, let alone been inside so can't comment on whether it's a loss in the 'well resolved' sense but I love the thing purely because it gives another generation of kids something to get excited about in the way that I did about the F1 and my dad did about the GT40. Can't wait to see what the next one will be!
doogz said:
What are you talking about?
McLaren F1, GT car?
A car capable of handling cross europe drives, taking both of my sons along for the ride - the Veyron just couldn't do the job ....McLaren F1, GT car?
But seriously - I do see the McLaren F1 as the definitive supercar/GT, whereas the Veyron is ludicrously impressive, but its purely an engineering exercise, and it looks butt ugly.
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