Genuine breakthrough, or crap pseudo-science again?
Discussion
Wife works in sustainability, and has passed this company's details on to me. I think she's fairly keen on me getting it so she can once again hold her head high in her colleagues' company (she currently has to admit that her husband has 3 cars, none of which are in fact needed whatsoever).
http://www.hydro-hybrids.co.uk/
http://www.hydro-hybrids.co.uk/products
So come on PH brains, tell me why it won't work. Then let's email them.
http://www.hydro-hybrids.co.uk/
http://www.hydro-hybrids.co.uk/products
So come on PH brains, tell me why it won't work. Then let's email them.
There are very good reasons involving conservation of energy, but if it works why not use five of them and use the hydrogen produced to power a fuel cell?
And if it works how often do you need to top up that piddly tank?
Honestly, if her colleagues are convinced it works then she ought to resign on the grounds that she doesn't want to work with gullible f
kwits.
And if it works how often do you need to top up that piddly tank?
Honestly, if her colleagues are convinced it works then she ought to resign on the grounds that she doesn't want to work with gullible f
kwits.Usual caveats apply (I am not a chemist, etc), but the energy required to split oxygen and hydrogen is not fully repaid by re-combining the stuff - the gimmick they've gone for here is to claim that they are using it to "enhance" or "optimise" the combustion process... Which is definitely tawddle - any modern car's injection system is getting the mixture optimised anyway. Another point is that in hydrogen fuel systems, the very low density of hydrogen is an an issue - you just needs loads of it, volumetrically - so that little tiny output spigot is... unconvincing.
It's "Brown's Gas" again : http://www.alternative-energy-resources.net/browns...
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?...
Oil of a slithering reptile.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?...
Oil of a slithering reptile.
The website is powered by Dharma...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma_Initiative
That to me is reason enough to be suspicious, you'll buy one and then wake up on a island somewhere....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma_Initiative
That to me is reason enough to be suspicious, you'll buy one and then wake up on a island somewhere....
Its bks.
You need energy to crack hydrogen out of water. The energy available from the hydrogen is less than the electrical energy you used to create it. The energy used to create the electricity is less(much less) than the fuel energy used (burnt) to create it.
Cracking water to get hydrogen is a means of storing energy in the form of hydrogen. Any transfer of energy will result in a loss. Its basic physics, and I mean basic
Edit...just to add, from the link
"The resulting energy is 2.5 times more powerful than petrol/gasoline."...so drag racers etc are going to ditch the NOS for water ....also if it could do that your engine would melt
"This totally changes Combustion" no it doesn't, thats how your engine works.
"The improvement in emissions and Miles per Gallon far outweigh the energy required to produce the gas. " fking hell...they've invented perpetual motion (or possibly not)
ks.You need energy to crack hydrogen out of water. The energy available from the hydrogen is less than the electrical energy you used to create it. The energy used to create the electricity is less(much less) than the fuel energy used (burnt) to create it.
Cracking water to get hydrogen is a means of storing energy in the form of hydrogen. Any transfer of energy will result in a loss. Its basic physics, and I mean basic
Edit...just to add, from the link
"The resulting energy is 2.5 times more powerful than petrol/gasoline."...so drag racers etc are going to ditch the NOS for water
....also if it could do that your engine would melt"This totally changes Combustion" no it doesn't, thats how your engine works.
"The improvement in emissions and Miles per Gallon far outweigh the energy required to produce the gas. " f
king hell...they've invented perpetual motion (or possibly not)Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 5th July 08:19
Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 5th July 08:20
the OEM is here:
http://www.hydrogenhybrids.uk.com/page2.php
which on another page, says the tech is based upon this paper:
http://papers.sae.org/2010-01-2190/
the paper smells like a student final yr project to me. wouldn't be surpised if this is his 'oh st, no jobs in a recession' startup.
funnily, the test results page on the first link doesn't work.
in principle, i believe it's sound tech. however the claim that a a litre of water per year releases enough gases to see a 40% increase in fuel economy is pure balls.
should i win the lotto tomorrow i will have a mythbuster on my staff to aid Phers.
http://www.hydrogenhybrids.uk.com/page2.php
which on another page, says the tech is based upon this paper:
http://papers.sae.org/2010-01-2190/
the paper smells like a student final yr project to me. wouldn't be surpised if this is his 'oh s
t, no jobs in a recession' startup.funnily, the test results page on the first link doesn't work.
in principle, i believe it's sound tech. however the claim that a a litre of water per year releases enough gases to see a 40% increase in fuel economy is pure balls.
should i win the lotto tomorrow i will have a mythbuster on my staff to aid Phers.
In case it hasn't been made crystal clear already:
(1) The system starts by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen
(2) It then reacts the gases together again to recreate water
No system can be more than 100% efficient. So the system above can not produce "spare" energy.
And in fact the system above is nowhere near 100% efficient. More like 1%. Splitting water by electrolysis the way these planks will be doing it is hoplessly inefficient. Heat engine efficiency are fundamentally limited to a maximum not-very-efficient efficiency by an argument called "the Carnot cycle" (and internal combustions engines are an example of a heat engine).
All this system does is make your car less efficient by generating more waste heat.
In all seriousness, if you're wife works in "sustainability" but can't see from 1000yds that this product can't possibly work, sounds like she might be a bit under-equipped to judge what is and isn't sustainable, and could sharpen her bullst detector skills up a bit with a bit of a science refresher.
(1) The system starts by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen
(2) It then reacts the gases together again to recreate water
No system can be more than 100% efficient. So the system above can not produce "spare" energy.
And in fact the system above is nowhere near 100% efficient. More like 1%. Splitting water by electrolysis the way these planks will be doing it is hoplessly inefficient. Heat engine efficiency are fundamentally limited to a maximum not-very-efficient efficiency by an argument called "the Carnot cycle" (and internal combustions engines are an example of a heat engine).
All this system does is make your car less efficient by generating more waste heat.
In all seriousness, if you're wife works in "sustainability" but can't see from 1000yds that this product can't possibly work, sounds like she might be a bit under-equipped to judge what is and isn't sustainable, and could sharpen her bulls
t detector skills up a bit with a bit of a science refresher.HereBeMonsters said:
Wife works in sustainability
That's what concerns me. There's nothing sustainable about this at all. In fact, it's the reverse. It's using resources for zero benefit. I'd love to have a look around the car park at your wife's place. Viabtors, turbo intakes, and magnetic fuel everywhere.
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