RE: If Dr Frankenstein Made Cars...
RE: If Dr Frankenstein Made Cars...
Wednesday 13th July 2011

If Dr Frankenstein Made Cars...

...It would have the engine of an MG, the gearbox of a Freelander and the electrics of a Renault. And the suspension of an M3, apparently...



We all know that, by and large, most modern cars are pretty fault-free. While two or three decades ago it was pretty much accepted that cars would break down from time to time, these days we expect our vehicles to act pretty much faultlessly.

But things still do go wrong, it seems, and the folks at Warranty Direct have decided to name and shame the worst bits of the worst offenders in its 'reliability index' and have come up with a mongrel 'nightmare car'. Which is a bit silly.

But buried beneath the PR fluff about a "horror vehicle that would break down every other month and cost an average of £2050 to fix each year" (made up of an MG TF engine, the suspension of a BMW M3, the electric workings of the Renault Megane, the gearbox of a Land Rover Freelander and the braking ability of the Audi A8) there are some genuinely interesting points.

It's perhaps no surprise that the MG TF engine is a bit wet, that the electrics in a Megane are prone to hissy fits or that the gearbox in a Land Rover Freelander gearbox isn't bulletproof (though we don't know whether they're talking about Mk1, Mk2 or both).

But how come the Audi A8 has such flaky brakes? And why do fully 40 per cent of M3s need repairs to axle and suspension components each year (methinks the words 'hoon' and 'circuit' might feature somewhere in the answer to that one)?

Also, wouldn't you have thought that cars created under the searing Spanish sun (the Seat Alhambra and Toledo) would be rubbish for air-con reliability and cooling issues...

We've printed a more detailed list of what goes wrong on what (and how this bizarre image above has been created) in the table below.

Make and Model Car part
Audi A8 Brakes
BMW M3 Suspension
MG TF Engine
Land Rover Freelander Gearbox
Mercedes-Benz V-Class Ignition
Renault Megane Electrics
SEAT Alhambra Air-conditioning
SEAT Toledo Heating & Cooling systems
Volvo C70 Steering system
Author
Discussion

Pushi

Original Poster:

25 posts

206 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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OK I can't say I'm any kind of expert on this subject but exactly how do Warranty Direct develop there list? I have no idea of the market share they have for providing warranty cover for used cars?
Up to what age of vehicles do they cover? Do they underwrite manufacturers new warranties too? Do they only cover cars in the UK? And how do they weight their findings to take account of the
actual proportion of the total vehicle parc that any individual model accounts for? Lecture over.

Whitean3

2,197 posts

227 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Is it me, or does the photoshop of the most unreliable bits come together and look like a typical Nissan or Toyota, middle-of-the-road, ultra reliable and boring softroader?

crostonian

2,427 posts

201 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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It looks a bit like a Ssangyong Rodius, surely it should have Merc bodywork...

ArosaMike

4,914 posts

240 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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The Freelander gearbox is the same as that found in a TF isn't it? Both were K-Series engined! And what age are all these cars? Are we talking E30 M3 here? Judging by the types that drive those these days, I wouldn't be surprised they need new suspension!

mat205125

17,790 posts

242 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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What is their best Frankenstein's monster? Everything from the Honda Jazz?

I wonder whether their data is from the number of claims that people have made for repairs under their warranties, or based on those they couldn't find a loop hole to sleeze out of paying hehe

JimboM3

294 posts

239 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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E46 M3 I reckon if my experience is anything to go by. I consider suspension components (especially rear springs) consumable items.

GTEYE

2,478 posts

239 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Hmm nice photoshop. Actually there are worse looking cars on sale.

MarJay

2,180 posts

204 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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if you kind of squint a bit it looks a bit like an Evo...

Snoop Bagg

1,879 posts

223 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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You've built a Toyota Picnic!


Nigel_O

3,850 posts

248 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Interesting - not one Italian car in the list, and several Germans - things have come a long way...

Perhaps its simply because of the sheer volume sold

I also agree that the collage of car bits still manages to look better than the awful Ssanyong Rodius



... and this (apparently) is the facelifted model - what are they smoking over there?

kambites

71,469 posts

250 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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ArosaMike said:
The Freelander gearbox is the same as that found in a TF isn't it? Both were K-Series engined! And what age are all these cars? Are we talking E30 M3 here? Judging by the types that drive those these days, I wouldn't be surprised they need new suspension!
The TF is a FWD transaxle, and the Freelander is 4WD. There's no way they could use the same gearbox or even the same gearbox casing - they need a different number of output shafts. smile

R500POP

9,073 posts

239 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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BUT WHAT WOULD THE ANTI-FRANKENSTEIN LOOK LIKE?

Robbie B

7,715 posts

212 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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How many people are currently waiting for someone to say "But Frankenstein can't make anything, he's a monster"?

Just me then frown

chunkymonkey71

13,168 posts

227 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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I'm sure all of those things broke on my first car! (Mk 2 Fiesta)

Apart from the electrics (it didnt really have any).

The air conditioning broke once too- I couldnt get the window to shut.

E21_Ross

36,729 posts

241 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Nigel_O said:
Interesting - not one Italian car in the list, and several Germans - things have come a long way...
either that or there are a hell of a lot more german cars on the road, so even with a 1% fail rate for the germans, and a 30% fail rate for italians, would probably see more germans going wrong....no?

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

204 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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MarJay said:
if you kind of squint a bit it looks a bit like an Evo...
Dear god man, get your eyes checked ASAP




hehe

mat205125

17,790 posts

242 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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JimboM3 said:
E46 M3 I reckon if my experience is anything to go by. I consider suspension components (especially rear springs) consumable items.
yes


Oilchange

9,703 posts

289 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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not being overly biassed then...
hehe

E21_Ross said:
Nigel_O said:
Interesting - not one Italian car in the list, and several Germans - things have come a long way...
either that or there are a hell of a lot more german cars on the road, so even with a 1% fail rate for the germans, and a 30% fail rate for italians, would probably see more germans going wrong....no?

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Not a single Alfa in there, but plenty of German "prestige" metal...

hehe

E21_Ross

36,729 posts

241 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Oilchange said:
not being overly biassed then...
hehe

E21_Ross said:
Nigel_O said:
Interesting - not one Italian car in the list, and several Germans - things have come a long way...
either that or there are a hell of a lot more german cars on the road, so even with a 1% fail rate for the germans, and a 30% fail rate for italians, would probably see more germans going wrong....no?
no, but it's a fair point though isn't it....? if they say "we have 5,000 electrics failures on meganes, but only 50 failures of 458 italias setting on fire, the ferrari is much more reliable".

we don't really know how they got their figures so can't really jump to conclusions to be honest, but agree, a few german bits in there!