RE: Porsche Cooking Up New 928 - And Maybe FF Rival
RE: Porsche Cooking Up New 928 - And Maybe FF Rival
Wednesday 13th July 2011

Porsche Cooking Up New 928 - And Maybe FF Rival

Next-generation Panamera could spawn several derivatives


Not the new 928
Not the new 928
The Porsche 928 could be making a return in 2014 or 2015 as Porsche is said to be planning a two-door GT among its spin-offs from the next-generation Panamera platform.

Admittedly the 'all-new 928' story is one of those perennial merry-go-round favourites among car journalists (probably because we all want it to happen), but this time the whisperings might just turn into reality, according to our newshound chums on Autocar, who broke the story.

The car, which could possibly be badged '929', would come as both a coupe and a cabrio, giving Porsche a chance to emulate the sales success of the likes of the Aston Martin DB9 and Ferrari California.

But it won't happen until after the second iteration of the Panamera four-door arrives, it seems. "At the moment, derivatives of the Panamera are not planned for the first generation," says Autocar's source. "We hope to add them to the second generation, provided we can find necessary capacity."

Other derivatives could be on the cards, too, with a shooting-brake-style sporty estate a possibility (think Ferrari FF, but not quite as expensive. And with two more doors).

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MarJay

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2,180 posts

203 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Panameras are huge! That means a coupe based on the panamera will be VAAAAAAST doesn't it?

tridave

249 posts

231 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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MarJay said:
Panameras are huge! That means a coupe based on the panamera will be VAAAAAAST doesn't it?
Yepp and the 928 was huge, chicken and egg, how much of the Panamera was based on the old platform anyway wink

wab172uk

2,005 posts

255 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Is't the Panamera an FF rival anyway?

clonmult

10,529 posts

237 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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All they need to do is bring back the 928, in its original shape, just with updated engine/electronics.

The original design was pretty damn close to perfection, anything they try to "improve" the design will no doubt fail.

y2blade

56,309 posts

243 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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clonmult said:
All they need to do is bring back the 928, in its original shape, just with updated engine/electronics.

The original design was pretty damn close to perfection, anything they try to "improve" the design will no doubt fail.
well said

I loved the old 928 cloud9

CampDavid

9,145 posts

226 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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clonmult said:
All they need to do is bring back the 928, in its original shape, just with updated engine/electronics.

The original design was pretty damn close to perfection, anything they try to "improve" the design will no doubt fail.
Pretty much. Dash and gearbox would need updating and 350bhp doesn't really cut it today so the Panamera Turbo engine would need to be modified to fit (currently it's too tall) The car itself still looks pretty perfect though. Looks a lot cheaper than most people seem to think - a guy at Le Mans seemed to think a 928 doing the mother and father of all burn outs was a 924. He was clearly a tt though

EvoDelta

8,287 posts

218 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Article said:
Other derivatives could be on the cards, too, with a shooting-brake-style sporty estate a possibility (think Ferrari FF, but not quite as expensive. And with two more doors).
If it has two more doors, surely it won't be a shooting-brake, just an estate?

clonmult

10,529 posts

237 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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CampDavid said:
Pretty much. Dash and gearbox would need updating and 350bhp doesn't really cut it today so the Panamera Turbo engine would need to be modified to fit (currently it's too tall) The car itself still looks pretty perfect though. Looks a lot cheaper than most people seem to think - a guy at Le Mans seemed to think a 928 doing the mother and father of all burn outs was a 924. He was clearly a tt though
I never particularly thought it looked that cheap, thought it looked elegant and timeless. But then plenty of people around barely know how to breathe, let alone know the differences between totally different cars.

An Uncle (who was mildly into his cars, did a ground up restoration of a Marco 3 liter) bought me a model 928 in the early 80s. I wanted to kill my sister when she broke it. Had a soft spot for the design ever since.

Always been of the opinion that it really is one of the all time great car designs, that the Panamera doesn't look anywhere near as good, despite being considerably newer speaks volumes on the quality of the original design.

poprock

1,987 posts

229 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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EvoDelta said:
If it has two more doors, surely it won't be a shooting-brake, just an estate?
Indeed. The old German 944 Estate conversions, on the other hand … now those were shooting brakes!

Ex Boy Racer

1,165 posts

220 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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How many models can Porsche really support before it loses all remnants of its exclusive image. The 911 I had in the 90's was a really special, desirable car, similar to a Ferrari. Look at Porsche now. if they're not careful it will just be a posh Audi...
There's a reason people are paying £200k for Singer 911's; they want to experience what Porsche was once all about.

EvoDelta

8,287 posts

218 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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poprock said:
Indeed. The old German 944 Estate conversions, on the other hand … now those were shooting brakes!
Oh yes!


anything fast

983 posts

192 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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ahhhh the 928, the most underrated supercar of them all... and with age it looks even better!

LayZ

1,820 posts

270 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Ex Boy Racer said:
How many models can Porsche really support before it loses all remnants of its exclusive image. The 911 I had in the 90's was a really special, desirable car, similar to a Ferrari. Look at Porsche now. if they're not careful it will just be a posh Audi...
There's a reason people are paying £200k for Singer 911's; they want to experience what Porsche was once all about.
Porsche until VWs takeover was the most profitable privately owned car company in the world. In the 90s they almost went bankrupt.

8 people have bought a Singer. I think Porsche know what they are doing.

alexpa

675 posts

200 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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928 series 1 was cool. Risky Biz De Mornay cool, Tony Montana "wid da scanner for da bell 209 assault chopper"

The Panamera is disgusting. If the new one sheds half a ton, that'd help. And also get someone to actually style it so it doesnt look like a barge.

Edited by alexpa on Wednesday 13th July 13:25

chunkymonkey71

13,163 posts

226 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Didn't Mazda make a 929?



A 929, yesterday.

geoffracing

617 posts

203 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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I do hope this future Porsche will at last be beautifully designed.
Not just a squashed VW Beetle or a swollen Panamera.

Porsches are sure fine cars,
but the design is so uninteresting or even bland (blob), or otherwise too provocative with out-proportionned wings.

The Wookie

14,207 posts

256 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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I love my 928 (which in fact looks virtually identical to the car pictured), and would love to see a new model released.

It'll be bigger and heavier and I'm sure some PH'ers will whinge, but let's face it Porsche don't have a reputation of late for building bad cars, just ugly ones.

If they can put the ugly stick firmly back in its case (where it seems to remain for duration of the Boxster and 911 development process) then they could be onto a winner

SleeperCell

5,591 posts

270 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Surely a modern 928 would just look more or less like a shortened, 2 door Panamera?



I think that could actually look ok, they'd need to get the rear end right though, the above photoshop needs a longer bonnet and/or cab moved back a bit, also needs more glass in the rear 3/4 like the original 928.

poprock

1,987 posts

229 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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Porsche can still design pretty cars. The Cayman is quite the looker.

tridave

249 posts

231 months

Wednesday 13th July 2011
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LayZ said:
Ex Boy Racer said:
How many models can Porsche really support before it loses all remnants of its exclusive image. The 911 I had in the 90's was a really special, desirable car, similar to a Ferrari. Look at Porsche now. if they're not careful it will just be a posh Audi...
There's a reason people are paying £200k for Singer 911's; they want to experience what Porsche was once all about.
Porsche until VWs takeover was the most profitable privately owned car company in the world. In the 90s they almost went bankrupt.

8 people have bought a Singer. I think Porsche know what they are doing.
The profits stopped well before the VW takeover, Porsche where buying option shares in VW as part of a take over bid until the credit crunch hit and share price fell through the floor, Porsche ended up having $13bn debt, it had to sell out to VW to pay off the debt.

And before the credit crunch Porsche profit on the VW share's was the greater sum of the profit being made.